2011 Cleveland Browns

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  1. Deadlift

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    Heading into their preseason debut, here's some information:


    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/567373/montario-hardesty


    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/561585/mohamed-massaquoi



    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1253970/carlton-mitchell


     
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    bad news, Eric Steinbach is out indefinitely, posiibly lost for a season...
     
  3. Riddlewire

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    What's going on in Cleveland?


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    The Browns have acquired QB Thaddeus Lewis off of waivers from the St. Louis Rams. That gives them four QBs on the roster. After Colt McCoy, they have these legendary pocket passers.

    Is Holmgren building something specific for the future? His version of an afflete superteam?

    Wallace has performed poorly in the preseason. And neither of these other two scrubs has shown an ability to tie their own shoes. There were plenty of skilled and accurate passers available. It's hard not to assume that Holmgren isn't sending some kind of future message.
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    (Yeah, I made this post mostly just to experiment with formatting. So what?)
     
  4. jaxvid

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    You should test your formatting with less ugly pictures!! :boink:
     
  5. Deadlift

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    Cleveland signed OL Artis Hicks..


    This looks like the classic case of putting Colt McCoy and Peyton Hillis in a "can't win" situation. Don't believe me? What about them using a 1st round pick on Phil Taylor and a later pick on worthless Pinkston?

    The media can keep gushing over Joe Haden all they want, but, really, this Cleveland team is not looking strong to me. Instead of picking up the overlooked White athletes/linemen, it looks like they are following the "Pittsburgh/Baltimore model.."
     
  6. Anak

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    Yes. Everything positive in Cleveland was a result of Eric Mangini's labors. He was rebuilding that team from the ground up and unfortunately that fat walrus had to show up and foul it up midway through. Fat Walrus is currently busy blackening up the franchise.

    D'oh.
     
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    What's going on in Cleveland? Pure garbage, that's what! It's not just Holmgren doing it, for the true answer and the writing was on the wall the second he was hired.... Tom Heckert, their general manager and EX Eagles general manager. What's going on? He or they are molding the Browns into the mirror image of Eagles: Coal black.

    Anak is correct, what we are witnessing is unfortunate. The previous team causing you to ask these questions was thanks to their former head coach Eric Mangini. See he messed up, when he came aboard he started trading all the elite affletes away and cutting their thug friends. His mistake was he kept replacing them with high character white guys and brought in a new draft philosophy: He refused to look at the players on the field ability until he first had a detailed run down of their academics, their home life and so on. If they didn't meet the requirement of a smart, hardworking person he didn't want them. Well do the math on that one, you're excluding 90% of the ebony NFL with that philosophy.

    Watching what is happening to the Browns leaves me little doubt that the NFL is as rigged as you can possibly be and he went off the reservation. Why else would a guy like Mike Holmgren go running from the Phoenix golf course to "save" them and why else would the Eagles highly sought after and heavily promoted general manager quit his job with that team one day to take over the Browns?
     
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    Browns signed Auston English from their PS.
     
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    That's actually a surprise. Let's hope he lights it up and forces them to stick with him.
     
  10. Deadlift

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    The reason for this transaction was because of Marcus Benard's motorcycle crash: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15725934


    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/rapid-reports/post/15730038

     
  11. Don Wassall

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    Looks like Eric Mangini is being punished for his "heresy" of breaking the league's hallowed, quarter-century long rule of not letting White men be featured running backs, and also for playing up to six Whites on defense at times last season, by not letting him coach again. The Browns were close to being a good team last year, beating New England and New Orleans back-to-back before sputtering down the home stretch, but they appeared headed in the right direction. They should have kept Mangini and hired a competent offensive coordinator. Now once again they are back to looking like an expansion team.

    Dolphins owner Stephen Ross has reportedly been checking in with ex-Browns coach Eric Mangini "on a fairly regular basis" for consultation on the state of the team. Ross' phone calls to Mangini actually date back to last year. While the owner respects Mangini's opinion (even from afar), the Miami Herald's Armando Salguero reports that the current ESPN analyst is "positively not a candidate" to take over as head coach on an interim basis in the event of a Tony Sparano firing. Mangini isn't even viewed as an option for 2012.
     
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    Yeah Don I am pretty sure unfortunately he is either blackballed for good or until he "learns his lesson." He kind of blew the lid on their plans pretty good and kept breaking their sacred caste rules.

    In NY-
    Gave ample playing time to FS Eric Smith, enough playing time to show the DWF's that Smith was vastly superior to the overrated Kerry Rhodes.

    Groomed DE Mike DeVito into a longterm solution at DE breaking through the Mike Tannebaum blackout on the D. Actually he let DeVito also show his worth at NT.

    Snuck Danny Woodhead onto his practice squad and continued coaching him up while no doubt planning to replace one of the underperformers.

    In OH-
    Traded super afflete Braylon Edwards and started WR Mike Furrey as the #1 WR... As well as at Free Safety.

    Signed and played an abnormal(for the racists) amount of whiteboys.

    Picked up DWF antichrist Matt Roth starting him immediately.

    Benched quotaback Seneca Wallace for Jake Delhomme AND Colt McCoy.

    Converted TE Evan Moore to WR/TE.

    Started and continued to start a white RB.

    He's too dangerous for their plans. Mangini as a HC is way too dangerous. Letting him coach means you run the risk of having a dominate white majority team with a white RB, white DB, white #1 WR, all white Oline and multiple white linebackers. Even with what he was working with the guy was one elite white QB and a few upgrades here and there from being 14-2 instead of 5-11. Anyone is free to go look at their losses, they were losing by 3-7 points in all but the final game.

    I'm not surprised the Dolphins are picking his brain, Mr. Mangini knows football better than most of the coaches currently in the NFL. I am equally not surprised they don't have the balls to hire him.
     
  13. Deadlift

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    Partial calf tear for Hardesty

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/567373/montario-hardesty

     
  14. Truthteller

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    Cleveland definitely made a mistake letting him go, as the franchise actually has regressed since he left.

    Eric does have some 'political cover', based on several things:

    **When he was with the Jets he told the media he was a lifelong, hardcore liberal. I don't think this is a big deal, but it can't hurt him.

    **He got the job in Cleveland, in large part, due to the friendship of the Browns' owners (the Lerner family) and Cleveland Indians GM Mark Shapiro. Why? Eric's married to Shapiro's sister**, so the Tribe's GM went to bat for his goy brother-in-law. My guess is the Lerner's must view Holmgren as a fat messiah (who has the Midas Touch), because I doubt they wanted to dump Eric so quickly, possibly straining their relationship with longtime friend/fellow lonsman Shapiro and the Indians....So there is little doubt that he's in good standing with prominent members of the Jewish community in the sports world -- notice how quickly ESPN scooped him up? Notice how both Miami and Philadelphia (who have Jewish owners) have reportedly reached out to him recently? Miami as a possible head coach; Philly as a 'defensive consultant'.

    **If Eric was really reviled by the Marxists, ESPN would not touch him. He would be floating around, begging for a job as a linebacker coach for some crappy NFL team or have to settle down as a Def. Coor at some lowly Big 10 school -- Instead Eric was hired and put front in center on TV.

    My point?

    Eric might be a modern day version of Marv Levy, who was allowed to have a team with many white stars. Levy was Kosher because he was Jewish...Eric is also deemed Kosher for reasons I just expained. I think he gets one more shot to be an NFL HC and it could happen very soon. I don't think he's another Mike Martz, a white friendly HC who never got another HC gig after going to a Super Bowl. But that's just my guess.


    ** http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp...news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_mlb

    Here's another link. His father-in-law is a big time sports agent: http://www.fans247.com/showthread.p...ship-With-Mark-and-Ron-Shapiro-(Eric-s-Agent)
     
  15. Don Wassall

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    I liked Mangini at first when he was named to coach the Jets because they seemed to be going in a less black direction, but that abruptly changed. He was better with the Browns, but the reality is all of these guys are cookie cutter copies of each other in some ways who are carefully vetted and studied as they attempt to rise through the system to become head coaches in the NFL. They all know what is and isn't acceptable, and that includes following the rules when it comes to playing and placating the "world's greatest athletes." That's why there's so much animus here at times toward Belichick, who has fielded the White-friendliest offense (on occasion) that the league has had in many years.

    The coaches, scouts and announcers are always going to disappoint us; it's no different than expecting the politicians from Party A and Party B to speak meaningfully and honestly about race and immigration. If we change enough minds, the NFL will eventually be forced to make changes, but it ain't gonna happen voluntarily from the top down.
     
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    There are many theories one could speculate on that one. Anyone who paid attention seen from the day he dared to leave the ESPN loverboy Bill Belichick's inner circle(ESPN is based out of New England as are many members of management with a clear Patriots and Red Sox bias) seen he was absolutely vilified for it. Amplify it times 100 when Belichick was "caught cheating" during a Pats and Jets game setting off spygate which in itself was likely a case of the NFL trying to draft Bill back into the program.

    His 2nd chance being given by ESPN is likely quite simple, to get him with the program, or rather probably back into the program. Why? That I do not know. Possibly it was a case of his mentor Bill Parcells calling in a favor for one of his guys hoping he learned his lesson. Did he? That remains to be seen.

    He certainly seemed to know how the game was played in NY and it went wrong after that. More on that in my reply to Don.
     
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    I hear you there and as a continuation of the above I think he knows what the program is all about. I think he knew in NY but tried to sneak some White players in here and there. When he was hired in Cleveland he made a remark that always stood out to me, he wants his sons to be proud of the teams he coaches not because of wins and losses but because that team is a roster full of hardworking, high character men that have honor. Aside from making me say yeah, this dudes a throwback kinda coach it also made me say yeah, this cat is White friendly.

    I just got off track, I think he knows what the program is all about all too well. Cleveland seemed to be a case of him giving the finger to the NFL system after three years of being disrespected and bad mouthed by the NFL's media reps. I think the quick and heavy shift to lots and lots of White players may have had alot to do with his Caste friendly squad in NFL quitting on him in his final season and leaving him hanging.

    It seemed that that made him go in an opposite direction and maybe too much too soon but I can't really fault him for acting fast, the previous attempt at coaching affletes backfired and they cost him his job. Thinking back he seemed to notice that his 95% White football squad in New Zealand didn't and decided to go as far in that route as he thought he could get away with but it ultimately backfired.

    If he gets a 3rd HC opportunity we know what that likely means, his ESPN race mentorship was effective and he will be following the NFL script to a T next time. I do hope that isn't the case and he jumps to the UFL though.
     
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    Animal, you make some solid points and you are great poster here at Caste Football. I rarely disagree with any of your points, but this time I do disagree, just a little a bit. I don't think Eric being too 'white friendly' had anything to do with him being fired. And I don't think he'll be asked to change if he ever gets a 3rd shot. I think he was fired because that bloated Swedish American idiot (Holmgren) that the Lerner family hired to run their team felt threatened by him. Mike Homo-gren didn't want a head coach that refused to be his personal butt-plug/'yes man'.

    A couple quick points:

    Yes, Cleveland was somewhat white friendly during Eric's time, but it wasn't like they were the '72 Miami Dolphins, who probably had 15 or 16 white starters. They were not much different than the Patriots and Packers (race wise), who the media types love.

    Also, when I typed my first response, I knew Eric's brother-in-law was the GM of the Indians. What I did not know, was he's the son-in-law of Ron Shapiro**, who is an absolute 'Titan' in the world sports and sports media, with ties to Baltimore Ravens owner Art Modell, who's a very close friend of the Lerner's from his time as the owner of the original Browns.

    My guess is the Shapiro's are a big reason Eric was hired in New York (by Tannenbaum) and Cleveland and ESPN now. If anything, I truly believe that fat turd, Caste clown deluxe Holmgren could really be in the dog house if Schurmur fails, because he might have caused a rift between the Lerner's and the Shapiro's (two prominent, very wealthy Jewish American families) due to Eric's firing....If Shurmur doesn't win soon, the fatman (Holmgren) will likely go down to sidelines and replace him, in a last-ditch effort to save his own @ss. At that point, Cleveland's roster could be very similar to Cards, Steelers or Bucs.


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  19. TheAnimal

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    Thanks for the kind words. I try to bring something to the table and step up my discourse while here and not fall into an easy pattern of just rah rah'ing stuff. Not that I am saying others do that but for me it's an easy pattern to get stuck into and i'd rather not.

    That said I don't really disagree with anything you've said except for maybe making changes if he lands a 3rd try. They'll reign him in quite a bit. Not that he ushered out every afflete but there was enough stuff going on to see that under the radar the set up was such that injuries or underperformance would have EASILY whitened the team up to an unacceptable(for them) level.

    A few examples would have been at the tight end position. He had Greg Estandia and Evan Moore, both passcatching targets at TE similar to Dallas Clark. From camp reports last year I had gleaned that he had Ben Watson mainly blocking, Estandia catching passes and Moore catching passes at TE AND in the slot. Along with Hillis of course running the ball. Likewise he had Blake Costonzo in the wings at ILB, Brian Schaefering being groomed to replace Robaire Smiff and so on. Roth, Costonzo and Schaefering would have bumped the starters on D up to three with likely another couple drafted/signed. Of course Offense would have had 3 offensive weapons and by the looks of the kind of players he was bringing in on the offensive line the line was going to quickly become a Whiteout.

    Where I get that being White friendly helped walk him out the door is the weird chain of events than transpired in 2009. The Lerners are normally good about giving a HC a long rope, 4 years is their average. Yet after ushering all the spoiled affletes out the door and 11 games into his first season the Lerner family rushes out to hire Mike Holmgren to take over the team and do whatever he had to do. It's just a guess but i'm guessing had he not started sending bruthas packing while bringing in unheralded White players sitting at home Lerner would NOT have rushed out to find a replacement.

    I do however agree that Holmgren ultimately was threatened by Eric. By all accounts in the NFL inner circle Mangini is well respected as a student of the game and a guy that knows the X's and O's like the back of his hand. Bill Parcells, Andy Reid, Ron Wolf, Floyd Reese, Ted Marchibroda and many others all reportedly told the Lerners and Holmgren that if anyone could turn a franchise around and perform as well as the Pats or Colts it was Eric. There is no doubt in most peoples minds that Eric knows more than Mike and runs a far superior system.
     
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    Animal, in one of the articles I linked it noted Eric was introduced to his wife (Julie Shapiro) by Scott Pioli. Pioli is now the GM in K.C. and he's pretty much done the same thing to the Chiefs roster that Eric did in Cleveland since he fired the odious A.C. Edwards (A.C.=A$$ Clown in my mind) -- except, of course, he doesn't have a white 1,000 rusher. By the way, speaking of 'wives', Pioli is married to the former Dallas Parcells (yes, a women), which has really helped his career.

    I think if Eric became too white friendly and it hurt him, it was Homo-gren that was offended much, much more than the Lerner's. Homo-gren is a total horses @ss, who totally went out of his way to screw over white players in Green Bay during the 1990's. Don Beebe being demoted to #3 WR after gaining something like 200 yards on a Monday Night game was awful. The way Jervey and Bill Schroeder were treated was horriffic -- Bill S. was physically attacked on the sidelines one Monday Night, by the fat pig. White defesive players, including rising superstar Bryce Paup, were quickly run out of Wisconsin by him. So I believe you Eric might've lost his job by being too 'white friendly'...but I really believe it was Homo-gren that was offended by this. That's were we differ a little, I guess.

    Why did the Lerner's hire fat-a$$ Homo-gren? I think they were desperate for credibility. The team has been either bad or mediocre since re-launching in 1999 and the media demanded changes. When the fat turd made it known in NFL circles he wanted back into the league, they jumped to appease fans and the media. In retrospect, I think they will see it as a serious mistake, as even 'great coaches' are often terrible GM's.

    An exapmple of a guy that I really believe went 'too far' and has now been held back from being a HC is Mike Martz. Martz seemed way too friendly to white WR's and DB's, in particlar, and might be paying the price -- blackballed from a HC job. At one point, Martz drafted 2 white QB's as 'athletes' (Crouch and S. Bellisari) and had in 6 or 7 white DB's in the span of a few years on his roster -- Archuleta, Bellisari, Coady, Sorenson, Bowen and a couple others. Matt Bowen and Sorenson actually got time at CB, which must really gotten some hot and bothered. He even played Mike Furrey at WR and DB at the same time. Now Mike's a guy that really pis$ed off the Caste-overlords, not sure Eric reached that point, but he might've got close.
     
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    This total bust was routinely labeled by the media and scouts as "the most NFL ready wide receiver" leading up to the 2009 NFL Draft. Shows again how clueless NFL "scouts" and the league's corporate media cheerleading arm are, in significant part because of being blinded by the ever more obvious lies propping up the Caste System.

    Browns waived WR Brian Robiskie. The coaching staff spent the offseason talking up the No. 36 pick in the 2009 draft as an ideal fit for the West Coast offense, but he's yet to show even a modicum of play-making ability. Robiskie can help a team as a fundamentally sound run-blocking role player, but that was a luxury on a Browns offense lacking big-play ability. The Falcons, employing Robiskie's father as WRs coach, are a logical candidate to show interest.
     
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    In the wild, a beached Walrus can be one of the most aggressive, violent, nasty, and territorial creatures on the planet. However, the ferocity with which these marine mammals protect their own kind is the utter antithesis of the treacherous ways of their only know human counterpart, Mike Holmgren. What’s most disconcerting about Holmgren’s nauseating Afro-philia (over the past 15-20 years) is the “whiteness” of his past.

    In the 1970’s, Holmgren was a backup quarterback on some very good USC squads. After coaching at the high school level following his playing career, Holmgren became the quarterbacks coach at lily-white (much more so than today’s team) BYU, even winning a national title in 1984. The Walrus can be seen in the top left of the photo, he is the fifth person over in the second row from the top… [​IMG]

    Holmgren then became the offensive coordinator for the 49ers dynasty, winning two Superbowls (1988 and 1989).

    The 1988 team featured 30 whites…
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    The 1989 team featured 27 whites…
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    During the final year of Holmgren’s tenure, 1991, the team featured 24 whites…
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    In 1992, Holmgren became the Packers’ head coach. During the 1993 season, the roster featured 22 whites…

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    During their Superbowl seasons of 1996 and 1997, they were down to 18 and 21 whites, respectively…

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    Sadly, the amount of whites featured on Holmgren’s Packers was a decent amount by today’s putrid standards. As chronicled, Holmgren preferring the chubby, flow-footed tandem of Edgar Bennett and Dorsey Levens to the ultra-fast, ultra-athletic Travis Jervey (#32 in the photo above). He did permit WR Don Beebe to amass nearly 700 yards (after being demoted to his racially-correct “slot receiver” role) during the 1996 championship season.

    In 1998, Holmgren’s first year as the coach of the hapless Seattle Seahawks, the team featured 17 whites…

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    By 2007, nearing the end of Holmgren’s tenure, they featured 14 whites (see Caste Football’s write-up)…

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    During his time in Seattle, Holmgren even acquired a black “adopted son” (his words, not mine) in the form of perpetually-troubled wide receiver, Koren “Thug” Robinson. He selected Robinson 9[SUP]th[/SUP] overall in the 2001 draft, then became sexually infatuated with the black diva…

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    But alas, despite Holmgren’s constant dispensation of “fatherly” guidance, “Sonny Boy” betrayed the Walrus-Wigger again and again…

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    Holmgren: “Now son, what did I tell you about drunken, high-speed car chases?”

    Robinson: “Sorry, daddy, can I have my spanking now, pretty please?!”

    In various interviews after Robinson's arrest(s), Holmgren stated that he was “praying for Koren” on a daily basis. When Holmgren was forced to announce (only under gunpoint from Seattle management) that Robinson was being released from the Seahawks for disciplinary reasons, Holmgren wept at the podium. No, seriously, I’m not kidding.

    During his time in Seattle, he utterly tortured WR’s Jerheme Urban and Logan Payne. In 2005, after a slew of black injuries, he did permit WR Joe Jurevicious to shine.

    Today, fatboy is attempting to re-create his tenure with the “Somalian Seahawks”…woops, I mean “Seattle Seahawks”...

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    I suppose my overall contention is that Mike Holmgren wasn’t always the “Wigger Walrus.” Judging by the racial makeup of his Packer teams, it’s fair to say that he didn’t expose himself as “Der Weiss Gott von Afrika” until his odious term in Seattle.
     
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    Let me first say I do agree with you on Mike Martz and I have always found it indefensible that he hasn't landed another head coach gig despite only having one losing season in his tenure as HC. I agree, there's some punishment going on and they make it obvious considering the many multi time coaches that have landed jobs since.

    With that out of the way and to get to the quoted portion of your post I don't think the Holmgren era will last very long. Plenty of people with juice elsewhere in Cleveland's front office back in January dropped word that the Lerner's were already unhappy with the Mike Holmgren hire reportedly due in a very large part to his firing of Eric. Apparently they weren't sold on the idea that Coaching was the issue when they barely lost 7 out of their 11 losses by a touchdown or less. If Holmgren doesn't start producing within the next year I wouldn't be surprised to see him carrying his boxes out to his car after being fired.

    I did do some research and I gotta say maybe it's true that the Lerner's while being Jewish weren't the ones angry over the complexion of the Browns. Let me just say I don't know a whole lot about soccer and I haven't looked into every team but the team they own, Aston Villa has 18 Whites which is a large majority. I'm not sure if soccer is as bad off as the NFL or not but from what i've watched of it in the past it looked pretty dark, dark enough that a majority White squad stands out to me. It is possible the Lerner family could care less about being Caste friendly in the NFL as well.
     
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    From doing research as well as memory the whole reason for him jumping from Green Bay to Seattle was because he had zero say on who was on the roster or not in Green Bay. He was given that authority to join Seattle and we seen the results.
     
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    Browns place Fujita on IR, but do sign another white Linebacker, Ben Jacobs.
     

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