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  1. Mighty Joe

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    Cody has got to make it somewhere even if its a practice squad where he can work his way up as the kids such a great reciever Another under the radar tight end that can hopefully stick is Ryan Purvis for the Bucs who has also been impressive.
     
  2. backrow

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    rotoworld is more than happy to report:

    Chiefs waived WR Lance Long.

    Long has a short stint as the Chiefs' slot receiver last season. His release is a positive sign for Kansas City as they've drastically increased the skill-position talent level on offense.
     
  3. FootballDad

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    What probably killed Lance's chances most was that he wasn't quite as adept being a WSTD. Terrance Copper can't catch anything, but he's supposedly a good special teamer, and he's got the magic skin tone, so bye-bye Lance.
     
  4. Don Wassall

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    I've always liked Mike Vrabel, going back to his days as an unstoppable pass rusher at Ohio State, but it's clearly time to pass the torch to Andy Studebaker, if indeed outside linebacker is Studebaker's best position (my guess is that Studebaker can dominate inside as well). Does a White defensive player have to serve a racial apprenticeship when he is taking over from another White defensive player? Apparently so:

    Haley encouraged by linebacker tandem

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    Haley said he likes the dynamic that has developed between outside linebackers Mike Vrabel and Andy Studebaker. Vrabel, 35, has acted as a mentor to Studebaker, who will turn 25 on Sept. 16. Haley said that's encouraging, even as Studebaker begins to take playing time away from Vrabel â€" and, if Studebaker continues to improve, he might eventually take his mentor's starting job.


    "The relationship between Mike and Andy is what we're trying to establish across the board, at all positions,"Â￾ Haley said. "You have a veteran player that is teaching, coaching, schooling, working with the guy that could take his job or take reps from him. You see Mike, it doesn't matter to him."Â￾


    Studebaker had two of the Chiefs' five sacks in Friday's preseason loss to Philadelphia. Haley said Vrabel's influence on Studebaker helped lead to that performance and might lead to a larger role in the future.


    "When more of your team is worried about one thing,"Â￾ Haley said, "and that's winning the game, championships, you'll have a pretty good team."Â￾
    http://www.kansascity.com/2010/08/30/2188789/chiefs-notebook-injured-qb-croyle.html

    Hey Todd, Andy's 25, he doesn't need a "mentor" for years on end, just let him play!
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  5. FootballDad

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    I read this article earlier today while perusing the KC Star at the airport. Even though it has been VERY successful in preseason games, there is no mention in the article about moving Vrabel inside, where I actually think he would be better at this stage of his career, and have Studebaker start on the outside. What, Vrabel isn't an upgrade from Demorrio Williams or Corey Mays, the current depth chart starters?[​IMG]
     
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    I'm not familiar with Studebaker so I looked him up on Sports Illustrated. It seems someone there made a terrible mistake in his scouting report for the 2008 draft. Check this out.

    POSITIVES:</span> Athletic and explosive pass rusher who makes a
    lot of plays up the field. Gets off the snap with a quick first step,
    plays with terrific pad level and immediately changes direction or
    alters his angle of attack. Effectively fights with his hands, moves
    well laterally and rarely off his feet. Hustles to get involved in the
    action and plays with a nasty attitude. Shows a closing burst of speed,
    makes plays down the line and quickly locates the ball. Fast off the
    edge and in any direction of the field.
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    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/players/66735.html#ixzz0yDxbt0TY

    Athletic and explosive? Are whites allowed to be athletic? Anyway, Studebaker runs a 4.65 40 and led the NCAA in sacks his junior year.
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  7. FootballDad

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    If Studie was black, he would already be a 3-year entrenched starter. But then again, if he was black, he wouldn't have had to fight for positions and starting from Pop Warner on up. He has an amazing story.
     
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    Here is some more info of Jehreme Urban. From Rotoworld:

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    The injury that landed Chiefs WR Jerheme Urban on injured reserve was a torn flexor tendon in the ring finger on his right hand.
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    Urban sustained in the injury while blocking against the Packers in the
    preseason finale. He was scheduled to undergo surgery on Tuesday, with a
    10-12 week recovery timetable. Urban was being counted on as a special
    teamer and No. 4 receiver. He's under contract for $640,000 in 2011.
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  9. FootballDad

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    Of course, with Urban on IR and Lance Long cut, that leaves the Chefs with ZERO white receivers on the roster or on the practice squad. Expect the Chefs to lead the league in dropped passes for the third straight year[​IMG]
     
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    Kansas City Chiefs:
    QB: 2 white QBs: 1 white starter
    The Chiefs start QB Matt Cassel, who did well for NE, filling in for an injured Tom Brady two years ago. He had great receivers in Wes Welker and Randy Moss though. For the most part Matt Cassel is a game manager, but he does add a little threat as a runner, due to his quick feet for a QB.

    The other QB on the roster is Brodie Croyle who I don't know enough about to give a scouting report.

    They cut Tyler Thigpen- who was a very solid dual threat QB, and are keeping their third QB- Tyler Palko- only on their practice squad.

    RB: 0 white RBs (or FBs)
    The Chiefs best tailback is Jamal Charles- who looks to be the real deal. He is a big play threat waiting to happen. They also brought in Thomas Jones, who despite rushing for almost 10,000 yards in his career already- really is a very average RB who sees the field in the league. His career YPC is identical to the estimated league average of 4 YPC and even behind the superb and acclaimed Jets o-line his production wasn't brilliant. White guys without jobs- like Jake Sharp, Luke Lipincott, Blake Smolen, Chad Kackert, Tre Smith, Tyler Roehl and Nate Kmic or Justin Beaver (not to be confused with Justin Bieber lol) would be better prospects than the Chiefs third and 4th string black scrub tailbacks.

    WR/TE: 1 white WR, 2 white TEs: 0 white starters
    In one of the most caste moves of the year, the Chiefs cut Lance Long. Long got lots of playing time- late last season- due to injuries and showed some explosiveness and potential (Long has eye opening measurables that scouts usually covet in young players, but he is the wrong colour to have the term "upside"Â￾ used on him). The Chiefs are stuck with Chris Chambers and Dwayne Bowe as their starting WRs -who both regressed statistically last year (Bowe PARTIALLY due to injury. Chambers has elite workout numbers, but has been very inconsistent in his career. Bowe is a big bodied wideout who is still young and hopes to improve on his impressive 2nd year in the league before declining last year. He struggles with drops sometimes too. After watching film of Dexter McCluster, I think he could be the real deal and he ALREADY has returned a kick for a TD of over 90 yards (not bad for a guy who ran a 4.55 at this past NFL combine). McCluster's body type and short area quickness reminds me some of Wes Welker, but he has a LONG way to go to become the receiver Wes is. The Chiefs carry two young white TEs in Jake O'Connell and Brad Cottram, but nobody special Leonard Pope still is listed as the starter and it looks like this caste team has already chosen to immediately insert Tony Moeaki (who looked to be a solid NFL prospect while at Iowa) to 2nd on the depth chart. Jerheme Urban is the lone white WR on the roster, but he has been placed on IR for the season. Urban is a playmaker with blazing long speed, but is one of the very few white WRs in the league with average hands.

    OL: 4 white OL: 3 white starters
    The Chiefs start 3 white offensive lineman, but two of the three backups are black. I know little about these players, but the three white starters are center Rudy Niswanger, right guard Ryan Lilja and right OT Ryan O'Callaghan who are all under 30, the backup center is ultra- veteran Casey Wiegmann

    DL: 0 white DL
    Pathetically KC has ZERO whites out of 7 on the roster. I don't care to tout which afroletes are here by merit here either b/c it's getting tiresome.

    LB: 3 white LBs: 1 white starter
    Mike Vrabel is a consistent playmaker-who finally got some credit in his later years with NE, he starts at LOLB. The Chiefs also have very athletic OLB prospect Andy Studebaker from small school Wheaton college backing up Vrabel. Wheaton whips out a lot of white prospects. It is the school that talented and athletic CB Pete Ittersagen is from, but despite showing lockdown abilities in the NFL two pre-seasons in a row, he is without a job due to his taboo position. The Chiefs also have Corey Greenwood as a third team MLB.

    DB: 1 white DB: 1 white starter
    The Chiefs start Jon McGraw at SS. McGraw has been a very solid starting safety in the NFL when he's put on the field, but he is not spectacular. Solid black veteran starters- seem to continue to start for years, but I'm not sure about VERY solid white ones. We'll see what happens here. The Chiefs drafted Eric Berry who is already projected to start at FS. Berry is an intriguing prospect. Brandon Flowers was picked at the top of the 2nd round to play football's fastest position- two years ago- despite running only a 4.56 at the combine. From what I know- he's done a pretty good job so far as he's played both safety and CB- which shows even at CB ELITE track speed can be "like icing on a cake" as JC says (you can still have a good cake without icing). If you have all the other qualities- a 4.56 can be good enough.

    Special Teams: Is it any surprise that the Chiefs kicker, punter and Long Snapper are all white?

    The Chiefs have just 16 whites on their final roster. The Chiefs have just 6 white starters out of the 22 projected starters on offense and defense. The Chiefs do have one white projected to start at a caste position in SS Jon McGraw though.

    Grade: Fail
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  11. Don Wassall

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    Chiefs' Extension To Andy Studebaker Goes Through2013






    The Kansas City Chiefs contract extension to linebacker Andy Studebaker is for three years, per NFLPA records.


    Studebaker was entering the final year of his contract in 2010.


    He was due $470,000 in base salaries for 2010 but that is now $1.3 million so not a bad bump in pay.


    He'll make just under $4.5 million the following three years topping out at just over $2 million in 2013.


    There could be bonuses and things like that included but I've got no information on that.


    So...not a bad week for the Wheaton product, huh?
    http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2010/9/17/1695121/chiefs-extension-to-andy
     
  12. LabMan

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    I watched KC in an early game this year,Tyler Palko played for a short time and moved the team nicely,I haven't seen him play since!,How was he treated by his hometown Steelers?,he was invisible,and then released!
     
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    The Chefs are doing well this year, but obviously need some help in the receiving department, as every one of their current receivers are hit-or-miss (I wonder why?). They could also use another LB and safety. So they're out scouting the waiver wire and available free agents. Here is what they're looking at right now. What, if the skin isn't dark, they aren't worthy of a look by the re-blackening Chiefs? Kelley Washington? Sam Aiken? Ugh![​IMG]
     
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    Chiefs sign Kevin Curtis!!! [​IMG]
     
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    Anyone know how many whites KC will start for the playoffs?
     
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    Here are the current white starters for the Chiefs:
    Offense,
    QB- Matt Cassell
    RT- Ryan O'Callaghan
    RG- Ryan Lilja
    C- Casey Weigmann

    Defense,
    OLB- Mike Vrabel
    FS- Jon McGraw

    That's it for now. I expect Kevin Curtis to get quite a few reps, mostly in the slot, but maybe in Chambers' stead as well.
    Andy Studebaker is on the field quite a bit, he is the first sub for both Vrabel and Hali. Cory Greenwood is on the roster as the 3rd string middle 'backer, but I've never seen him on the field on D, he just does his part as a WSTD.
    Also, Mike Cox rotates in and out of the game with afflete Tim Castille at the human battering ram position.
     
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    Thanks, man. I guess the game is a wash as the Ravens also start 6 whites. Hopefully, Curtis will see some decent playing time, however. If he does I may lean towards the Chiefs in this one.
     
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    Since it's a wash, from a caste perspective, I'll root for the hometown Chiefs just for fun. Late last year, and in camp this year, the Chiefs started showing signs of whitening, but backtracked significantly, releasing Lance Long, and having Jerheme Urban end up on IR. I'm hoping for Curtis to be given a significant role, but with only a few days practice under his belt, it might not happen. As for Studebaker, he's on the field for a significant number of snaps, but I can't figure why the Chiefs don't use him on the inside in place of Jovan Belcher, who is a marginal player at best.
     
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    Surprise, surprise -- another black first round DL bust. Pioli needs to polish his act some and then hit the comedy club circuit:

    Appearing on the NFL Network set at the Senior Bowl, Chiefs GM Scott Pioli said he believes former No. 3 overall pick Tyson Jackson has "fit in well" with Kansas City through two seasons. Pioli might be the only guy who thinks so. After Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. assessed Jackson's rookie-year play as "just all-around awful," Jackson lost his starting job midway through last season to perennial street free agent Shaun Smith. Through two years, Jackson has one sack and hasn't contributed to a single turnover. His sack went for a loss of two yards.
     
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    obviously another white player needs replacing.

    The Kansas City Star suggests that Andy Studebaker will only be used to "keep the seat warm" for rookie Justin Houston at outside linebacker.
    There's no question that Houston has more upside as an explosive edge rusher. The Chiefs value Studebaker's versatility, however, and he's been in the system, while Houston won't benefit from the lockout. Houston may enter the year as a situational rusher, and replace Studebaker on the first team around midseason.
     
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    Ive seen this scenario too many times. White player demonstrates that he can play multiple positions on a high level replaced by affletes. The team gets all of the rewards, except for having the best players play. The dwfs ooh and ahh over the affletes that may that show a flash here and there (the hyped up college player who will live up to all of that potential one.....day), the team has a player on the bench that can play multiple spots if any of them get hurt, with no drop off in production, sometimes an increase, not to mention a very, very cheap salary.

    Studebaker had two interceptions in his first start, I think one was for 94 yards. I would say he could be an explosive edge rusher as well, but I guess we will just have to consider him high motor never die since he lacks that important criteria for having "explosion", another undefinable term for affletes, some recent scouting report I read by one of the big names like Mayock said that he watched every single one of Ryan Kerrigan's snaps and never saw any explosiveness on any of his plays despite his great combine times. Watching him play, I saw some freakish burst off the line of scrimmage to be in the backfield in an instant, only a few of his sacks were because he chased the guy down with the "never stop motor". So not exactly sure how you measure this "explosiveness".

    Anyway Andy had 17+ sacks his junior season, 25 tackles for loss and 19 qb pressures as a DE, he would be the prototype for a 3-4 edge rusher. He was hurt most of his senior season, and DRAFTED in the 6th round, this is a division 3 guy. He has to have something special to be drafted from d3 as a white guy, with an injured senior season. So not only can he rush the passer, he can drop back in coverage, something Houston can't do. Leave it the NFL to make a move like this.
     
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    The lockout just means Houston will have more time to eat himself out of the league. Houston is 6'2 267 right now, by the time camp comes around he'll be in the 280 range and he will be out of shape, similar to how Dwayne Bowe came into camp overweight but was given time b\c of his "magical skin" and "upside".




    Not worried Studebaker has busted his ass so far and will continue to bust his ass to play in the league.
     
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    Thats just what that paper and rotoworld are speculating that Studbakers
    'keeping his seat warm'as if Houstons a beast in waiting when the reality is that the number of Black defensive busts drafted over the last few years is reaching epic proportions.Houstons more likely to be another Larry English and though he's fast for his size Studebackers faster,alot fater running a 4.4 at 250.I expect him to outplay Houston in pre season but they may just decide to give the starting job to Houston anyway.
     
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    HAHa like the comparision to overrated LB Larry English
     
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    More evidence, as if any more were needed, that blacks won't be a threat to Michael Phelps and the sport of swimming any time soon:

    Free agent TE Leonard Pope saved 6-year-old boy Bryson Moore from drowning at a pool party over the weekend. "All of a sudden, I saw Bryson going down in the water and I started screaming," said the boy's mother. "Leonard was inside, and he came out of nowhere and dove into the water without any hesitation, cell phone in his pocket and all. He saved my son's life." Pope was allegedly the only person at the pool party who knew how to swim. The 6-year-old boy is now okay.
     

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