Colonel_Reb
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Jack, I know he said BS at least twice and I think a couple of F bombs as well. He was really upset about the penalty calls against them.
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I actually watched this entire game at a local mom and pop video store where I had gone to rent some DVDs. The owner's son, a friend of mine about the same age, had the game on, and we watched it.
It's so refreshing to see a college football game reminiscent of the 50s or 60s, where most of the players are white, and skill positions are predominantly played by whites.
I enjoyed seeing a white runningback prove to the entire television-watching audience that whites can run the ball, and deserve to do so.
Taking nothing away from the outstanding Gerhart, I wonder how many other white runningbacks in the past (or present) were denied a chance because of their skin color.
I'm guessing for every Toby Gerhart we see, there's a score of Toby Gerharts we DON'T see.
Just as, for every decent black quarterback, there's a hundred other ones that suck but are hyped so much that people are convinced that their obvious mediocrity is just our inability to decipher greatness.
Because we're racist or something...
It's so refreshing to see a college football game reminiscent of the 50s or 60s, where most of the players are white, and skill positions are predominantly played by whites.
I enjoyed seeing a white runningback prove to the entire television-watching audience that whites can run the ball, and deserve to do so.
Taking nothing away from the outstanding Gerhart, I wonder how many other white runningbacks in the past (or present) were denied a chance because of their skin color.
I'm guessing for every Toby Gerhart we see, there's a score of Toby Gerharts we DON'T see.
Just as, for every decent black quarterback, there's a hundred other ones that suck but are hyped so much that people are convinced that their obvious mediocrity is just our inability to decipher greatness.
Because we're racist or something...
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For an "academic" school, Stanford always has put some emphasis on having a good football team. This goes back to the early days of college football to Pop Warner with Ernie Nevers in the 1920's and the "Vow Boys" of the 1930's.
In the modern era, Stanford is able to recruit "skill" players who can meet the academic requirements.
In the modern era, Stanford is able to recruit "skill" players who can meet the academic requirements.
Jack Lambert said:
Yes, that was terrific! Musberger gave Gerhart MAJOR love on the ESPN/ABC broadcast! They also included Gerhart in the graphic of the "Heisman contenders," which consisted of Tebow, McCoy, the Alabama RB, and Gerhart.
Pie
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What's going to make me mad is if he wins we are going to have to hear forever that, "Sure, he won the heisman, but it was a really weak class and no one really stood out, so it's not like he should be drafted all that high."
whiteathlete33
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Pie said:
Or some other crap like, "He's really a fullback playing the runningback position." Then I'm sure we will here something like," Doesn't have the speed to be a runningback in the NFL."
rajuncajun
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Unfortunately, Coach H. has gone the caste route in next year's recruiting class. There are more chocolate players than vanilla guys"¦.including almost all of the skill positions. In addition, the OL recruits are predominantly black. Why change the formula that is working now????
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i think most of the o line is coming back though so i dont know how much of the line will be non white.
Stanford has a scat back who broke all kind of records down in San Diego. I can't remember his name right now but he is a white guy. Also, want to apologize form some of posts last night. Between my excitement for Gerhart from reading you guys posts to sending a couple of post via my IPhone...there were alot of typos.
Colonel_Reb
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Westside, the back you are talking about is Tyler Gaffney, who has seen a fair amount of action this season.
Colonel_Reb
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The latest, and probably most accurate, bowl projections have Stanford playing Boston College in the Emerald Bowl. Florida State was projected to be in it until yesterday when Bobby Bowden's retirement announcement influenced Gator Bowl officials to invite FSU to play Bowden's old team, West Virginia.
I must admit I relished the idea of Toby running all through "The Laugher's" affletic defense.
What say ye about a possible BC/Stanford game?
Edited by: Colonel_Reb
I must admit I relished the idea of Toby running all through "The Laugher's" affletic defense.
What say ye about a possible BC/Stanford game?
Edited by: Colonel_Reb
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That would be alot of fun. i would enjoy watching Gerhart go against Kuechy.
Stanford is scheduled to go the Sun Bowl DEC 31 against Oklahoma. I like this matchup and think Stanford will do well against them. Can't wait to see Toby run all over them!
I just hope a good deal of Stanford fans make the trip to El Paso, Tx to see Stanford in their first bowl game since 2001.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iQrEsCdpeQ5-iSXQwgg8PvsChZfAD9CE2MIO5Edited by: dwid
I just hope a good deal of Stanford fans make the trip to El Paso, Tx to see Stanford in their first bowl game since 2001.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iQrEsCdpeQ5-iSXQwgg8PvsChZfAD9CE2MIO5Edited by: dwid
This is another true test for Gerhart. Oklahoma's super affletic d-line is supposed to be one of the best in the nation. DT Gerald McCoy is a top 10 draft pick, along with a couple other pro prospects. Their linebackers and secondary are decent. This OU team has been great at home and terrible on the road and neutral sites.
Anyway, I believe this is a huge game for Gerhart's draft stock. If OU shuts him down, then the naysayers can say he didn't see any good defenses in the Pac-10. However, if he runs all over OU, then nobody could question he's a first round pick.
Anyway, I believe this is a huge game for Gerhart's draft stock. If OU shuts him down, then the naysayers can say he didn't see any good defenses in the Pac-10. However, if he runs all over OU, then nobody could question he's a first round pick.
Colonel_Reb
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Here's the link. Hopefully Pritchard will play a decent game and Stanford will have a passing threat.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/8047/sooners-may-catch-break-in-sun-bowl-with-lucks-finger-surgery
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/8047/sooners-may-catch-break-in-sun-bowl-with-lucks-finger-surgery
Horrible news, Luck is ten times better than Pritchard. I mean Toby is a huge reason for their winning success, but Luck has been way better at taking advantage of defenses when they stack the box. So teams haven't stacked the box AS much this year because occasionally Luck would burn them deep, he is also a better scrambler, second on the team in rushing yards I believe. Hes good at getting to the outside, just overall more for defenses to worry about when hes playing.
Pritchard was supposed to be good out of high school, but thats about it, hes had a few good games. When T.C. Ostrander had a seizure he came in and beat USC as 41 point underdogs. So hopefully he has a chip on his shoulder and plays like he has something to prove. Hes a senior and it will probably be the last game he ever plays.
Pritchard was supposed to be good out of high school, but thats about it, hes had a few good games. When T.C. Ostrander had a seizure he came in and beat USC as 41 point underdogs. So hopefully he has a chip on his shoulder and plays like he has something to prove. Hes a senior and it will probably be the last game he ever plays.
Colonel_Reb
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</span><h1 id="articleTitle">Stanford prepares for life after Toby Gerhart</h1><div id="articleByline">
<a href="mailto:jwilner@mercurynews.com?subject=San%20Jose%20Mercury%20News:%20Stanford%20prepares%20for%20life%20after%20Toby%20Gerhart" target="_blank">By
Jon Wilner
</a>
<a href="mailto:jwilner@mercurynews.com?subject=San%20Jose%20Mercury%20News:%20Stanford%20prepares%20for%20life%20after%20Toby%20Gerhart" target="_blank">Mercury
News</a></div></span></span></span><div id="article">
Now that Stanford doesn't have Toby Gerhart in
the backfield overpowering defenses, taking the pressure off his
teammates and making every play seem perfectly designed â€" now we'll see
if Jim Harbaugh can coach.
At least, that's according to Jim
Harbaugh.
"We'll see how smart we are," Harbaugh said recently,
with an eye to the 2010 season. "It is easy to be a great coach when you
have a Toby Gerhart there. I heard a statement one time say, 'Don't
confuse being smart with a bull market.' "
Or a bull of a running
back.
Replacing Gerhart, who gained nearly 1,900 yards, scored 28
touchdowns and finished second in the closest Heisman Trophy race ever,
is hardly the only challenge facing Harbaugh.
His defense must be
tightened, especially in the secondary. His receivers must make more
plays and drop fewer passes. His offense must shift focus to sophomore
quarterback Andrew Luck. And for the first time in Harbaugh's four
years, his team must cope with external expectations â€" expectations that
will arrive in force late next month when the college football preview
magazines hit the newsstands.
Written in the early spring, the
magazines can be outdated by the time the season begins. But
collectively, they form an important piece of the offseason hype
machine, which sets the expectations for teams, players and coaches.
Those expectations provide the framework for judging whether a season is
successful (and whether a coach is smart). The
combination of Luck, four returning starters on the offensive line and
confidence in Harbaugh will result in Stanford being picked for the top
half of the Pac-10 by some publications. That's rarified air for a
program coming off its first winning season in eight years.
(It's
not just the summer magazines, either: Stanford was No. 24 in the espn.com rankings published in January.) How
the players and coaches handle the presumption of a bowl bid long before
the season's first snap will go a long way toward determining whether
they actually qualify for a bowl bid.
From hunter to hunted â€" and
no Gerhart in the backfield to protect them.
"We are not satisfied
with anything," Harbaugh said. "A lot of people have asked, 'How can
you maintain? How can you keep this going?' We are moving forward. Our
program the first year had a couple of signature wins (USC and Cal).
Last year, we had some breakout games. But the third step is to win
championships and after that is to win multiple championships."
Harbaugh
does not lack for confidence in himself or his staff. When he says,
"We'll see how smart we are" without Gerhart, what he's no doubt
thinking is, We'll show you how smart we are.
In theory, the
Cardinal won't need to replace every yard Gerhart gained because the
burden will shift to the passing game and, to an even greater extent,
the defense. In theory, Stanford won't have to win games 45-38. Four
touchdowns will be enough with a defense that's better coached (if we're
to believe Harbaugh) than the unit that ranked ninth in the conference
last season.
The reality could be quite different. Despite the
talent upgrade orchestrated by Harbaugh over the past three years,
Stanford's margin for error remains thin.
Whether the Cardinal
wins eight games or five â€" whether it competes for the Pac-10 title or
falls into the lower half â€" most likely will hinge on a handful of plays
over the course of three months.
And No. 7 won't be around to
make them.</div></span>
Edited by: Colonel_Reb
<a href="mailto:jwilner@mercurynews.com?subject=San%20Jose%20Mercury%20News:%20Stanford%20prepares%20for%20life%20after%20Toby%20Gerhart" target="_blank">By
Jon Wilner
</a>
<a href="mailto:jwilner@mercurynews.com?subject=San%20Jose%20Mercury%20News:%20Stanford%20prepares%20for%20life%20after%20Toby%20Gerhart" target="_blank">Mercury
News</a></div></span></span></span><div id="article">
Now that Stanford doesn't have Toby Gerhart in
the backfield overpowering defenses, taking the pressure off his
teammates and making every play seem perfectly designed â€" now we'll see
if Jim Harbaugh can coach.
At least, that's according to Jim
Harbaugh.
"We'll see how smart we are," Harbaugh said recently,
with an eye to the 2010 season. "It is easy to be a great coach when you
have a Toby Gerhart there. I heard a statement one time say, 'Don't
confuse being smart with a bull market.' "
Or a bull of a running
back.
Replacing Gerhart, who gained nearly 1,900 yards, scored 28
touchdowns and finished second in the closest Heisman Trophy race ever,
is hardly the only challenge facing Harbaugh.
His defense must be
tightened, especially in the secondary. His receivers must make more
plays and drop fewer passes. His offense must shift focus to sophomore
quarterback Andrew Luck. And for the first time in Harbaugh's four
years, his team must cope with external expectations â€" expectations that
will arrive in force late next month when the college football preview
magazines hit the newsstands.
Written in the early spring, the
magazines can be outdated by the time the season begins. But
collectively, they form an important piece of the offseason hype
machine, which sets the expectations for teams, players and coaches.
Those expectations provide the framework for judging whether a season is
successful (and whether a coach is smart). The
combination of Luck, four returning starters on the offensive line and
confidence in Harbaugh will result in Stanford being picked for the top
half of the Pac-10 by some publications. That's rarified air for a
program coming off its first winning season in eight years.
(It's
not just the summer magazines, either: Stanford was No. 24 in the espn.com rankings published in January.) How
the players and coaches handle the presumption of a bowl bid long before
the season's first snap will go a long way toward determining whether
they actually qualify for a bowl bid.
From hunter to hunted â€" and
no Gerhart in the backfield to protect them.
"We are not satisfied
with anything," Harbaugh said. "A lot of people have asked, 'How can
you maintain? How can you keep this going?' We are moving forward. Our
program the first year had a couple of signature wins (USC and Cal).
Last year, we had some breakout games. But the third step is to win
championships and after that is to win multiple championships."
Harbaugh
does not lack for confidence in himself or his staff. When he says,
"We'll see how smart we are" without Gerhart, what he's no doubt
thinking is, We'll show you how smart we are.
In theory, the
Cardinal won't need to replace every yard Gerhart gained because the
burden will shift to the passing game and, to an even greater extent,
the defense. In theory, Stanford won't have to win games 45-38. Four
touchdowns will be enough with a defense that's better coached (if we're
to believe Harbaugh) than the unit that ranked ninth in the conference
last season.
The reality could be quite different. Despite the
talent upgrade orchestrated by Harbaugh over the past three years,
Stanford's margin for error remains thin.
Whether the Cardinal
wins eight games or five â€" whether it competes for the Pac-10 title or
falls into the lower half â€" most likely will hinge on a handful of plays
over the course of three months.
And No. 7 won't be around to
make them.</div></span>
Edited by: Colonel_Reb
WHITE NOISE
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There has got to be other Toby types somewhere in California or across the country in which Harbaugh can recruit.
If Stanford's success has inflated their pride and they start recruiting more affroletes , replacing or overlooking white players, then we will know they haven't learned anything and are not very smart.Edited by: WHITE NOISE
If Stanford's success has inflated their pride and they start recruiting more affroletes , replacing or overlooking white players, then we will know they haven't learned anything and are not very smart.Edited by: WHITE NOISE
FootballDad
Hall of Famer
We can always hope. Currently, of the 5 running backs on the Stanford roster, 3 are white, including Tyler Gaffney, who did well last season in limited duty. ALL of the incoming recruits so far are black, so apparently Harbaugh hasn't been looking for his Gerhart replacement. Maybe someone should send Harbaugh a tape of Nile Knapp's highlights. He'd be a better back than any of the incoming affletes.
Colonel_Reb
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Great point about Knapp, FootballDad. Harbaugh inherited Toby Gerhart, and although he has recruited some White RBs during his time at Stanford, he should take note of talents like Nile Knapp and regularly recruit White backs.
WHITE NOISE
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If Harbaugh does not use a white running back, or recruits only blacks, then he and the program can go F themselves.
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One thing he needs to recruit guys that can score a decent score on the SAT first. If Toby was as dumb as a bag of nails he would have never played for Stanford.Colonel_Reb said:
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white is right said:
Which is why schools like Northwestern and Stanford play so many whites. They are very prestigious schools to get into, and you have to have high test scores and GPA to get in even as an athlete. I think I read somewhere that Stanford won't even look at guys unless they have at least a 22 on their ACT(not sure what the number is for SAT). As always I'm sure the black players are granted a lower entry score b\c of "their schools are so ill funded"