1960s NFL proves white athleticism

Discussion in 'NFL' started by jwhite96, Sep 20, 2005.

  1. jwhite96

    jwhite96 Guru

    Dec 11, 2004
    I stopped being a masochist and do not follow or
    watch the NFL. I believe the decade of the 1960s was the last , that
    whites players had a fair chance to compete with blacks for ALL
    positions. I was looking at mid to late 1960s rosters of top
    NFL/AFL teams and
    of course, this was well before the NFL instituted their goal of making
    their league " white free". It was interesting to note that there were
    a good number of black players. But whites were the majority and were
    allowed to play any position including the sacred CB, running back and
    receivers. It was interesting that unlike, baseball prior to 1947
    there were no blacks, whites competed and beat outs black "supermen
    "for most of the skill positions .The blacks were on the rosters and
    had their chances and won some starting positions but white starters
    were as good or better. This will put the lie to the argument that
    whites are not "athletic enough" . A good example is the 1969 New York
    Jets (their only superbowl champion). They had to beat the KC Chiefs
    which were first team to institute a caste system ( I believe by the
    early 1970s they only had 2 whites on their starting defense:Johnny
    Robinson and Jim Lynch). The number of whites in the starting
    of the Jets in 1969 Superbowl were 9 whites on
    offense and 8
    whites. As I pointed out there had been no lack of opportunity for
    blacks ,especially in the AFL to win starting positions . Joe Namath
    didn't need "brothers" to catch the ball for the 4,000 plus
    yards he passed for in a 14 game season . The Jets
    receivers from the mid 60's until they won the superbowl were all
    white:Bake Turner, Jim Turner, Don Maynard ( several 1,000 +
    yards 14 game seasons) George Sauer Jr. (led the AFL in catches
    in 1969)and Pete Lammons

    What was different was the SEC ,and the top Texas schools ,among others
    ,gave white athletes the chance to play all the skill positions and
    excel. All 5 of the aforementioned Jets receivers played at schools
    such Texas El Paso ,U of Texas . The black players had their schools so
    both groups had equal chances to learn each position and excel.
    Of Course, now the all the top conferences and teams are reserved for
    blacks only,with whites allowed to occasionally fill the least
    desirable positions Even if blacks were not recruited by the SEC
    until the late 1960's they had schools to attend that the NFL took very
    seriously e.g Grambling, Jackson state , Florida A&M. Whites now
    have only division 3 colleges to get a chance to play all
    positions. What is different now ,however, is the NFL doesn't consider
    any white Division 3 college player as NFL material except for the
    occasional undrafted player who may rarely work his way onto a roster.
  2. Colonel_Reb

    Colonel_Reb Hall of Famer

    Jan 9, 2005
    The Deep South
    Good post jwhite96! There were tons of whites who beat out blacks for the most visible positions in the 60's. Another reason is that there was a quota system that was used by the football owners in the 60's to limit the number of black players to 6. Some teams didn't need or use the quota, like your example of the Jets in 1969. They had plenty of great white players to beat out the blacks. Teams like the Chiefs, on the other hand, needed it because they had a coach like Hank Stram, who was probably the earliest proponent of the Caste System as we know it. His teams were noticeably blacker than other teams of the era. In 1970, with the merger, and changing times and coaches, the unspoken "gentlemen's agreement" to limit the number of black players was abolished.
  3. Don Wassall

    Don Wassall Administrator Staff Member

    Sep 30, 2004
    If this country is destroyed, or just continues unabated into full-blown non-white Third World status, 1968 will go down as the decisive year.

    1968 was the most tumultuous year ever. That was the year Americawas turned upside down. It was the year the counterculture became huge, with its drug use, long hair on men, disrespect for what was left of traditional authority and values, open sex and nudity with the same bombarding Americans in mainstream movies for the first time.

    The "Black Revolution" hit full force, symbolized by the Olympic protests by U.S. sprinters and the growth of the Black Panthers. That was the year "Negroes" became "blacks" and blacks went overtly militant and anti-white on a large scale.

    The Feminist Revolution, then called "Women's Lib," also hit the mainstream for the first time in '68.

    Martin Luther King was assassinated, followed by the most widespread rioting the country had ever seen. Robert Kennedy, the likely Democrat presidential candidate,was assassinated two months later, less than five years after his brother. The Democrat Party convention was incredibly divisive inside the hall, while Chicago police and protestors went at it in a virtual war scene for three days outside.

    The Vietnam War was at its peak in terms of U.S. troop strength and deaths (hundreds per week). The country was bitterly divided between hawks and doves. George Wallace mobilized the last large political movement of white resistance and carried the South while Nixon and Humphrey split the rest of America.

    And '68 was when the Caste System began to systematically displace white U.S. sprinters, boxers and football players and other athletes, as the media began to really crank up the black supremacy theme in sports.

    The Cultural Marxists gained the upper handin many ways in 1968and have been imposing their alien,liberty-destroying ways on us ever since, piece by piece.
  4. Colonel_Reb

    Colonel_Reb Hall of Famer

    Jan 9, 2005
    The Deep South
    Your right on about 1968, Don! I've heard my Dad say that for years. 1968 was the turning point. In the early 60's things started changing culturally in a way that was evident to many. The events of 1968 made it permanent. That's the year I think of things "going from black and white to color"(strange isn't it). You can quote me on that, because I have thought that for at least 10 years now. You can interpret that quote several different ways and it would still be true.
  5. Kaptain

    Kaptain Master

    Nov 25, 2004
    That was an awesome read Don! All of that happening really makes one think about the forces involved and how we got to this point. Not being born yet, I never really thought about 1968 being such a turning point.
  6. Colonel_Reb

    Colonel_Reb Hall of Famer

    Jan 9, 2005
    The Deep South
    Like the name of a group who had a hit called I'd Love To Change The World, I didn't get here until Ten Years After 1968. I think about being born 10 years earlier and how if I was, I would have been born into the old order, at least to some extent. I don't know if thinking like that makes me crazy, but I do wonder if other people think about things like that.
  7. foreverfree

    foreverfree Mentor

    Nov 7, 2004
    Kap and Colonel, unlike you two, I was alive in 1968. I turned 7 years old the week of the Yippiefest in Chicago.
    My parents had just divorced. I'm the only child they ever had. I don't remember MLK or the riots (or JFK). I do remember watching RFK's funeral on TV but not feeling any emotion. I also watched his funeral train on TV come through North Philadelphia station (I grew up in and around Chester, PA; Chester had more whites back then) and admit to being more interested in the catenary poles supporting the overhead wires powering the train below it than whose body was in it. [​IMG] I did notice Teddyboy waving from of the balcony of the last car, which had the flag-draped casket inside.

    I also remember bawling on a Saturday morning in December '68 when the cartoons were preempted for showing the launch of Apollo 8. [​IMG]

    Getting back closer to the topic, I didn't start to follow sports too closely until 1971, the year I turned 10, so I have the vaguest memories of the AFL (remember, I turned 7 in '68) or of the end of the pre-Caste era in pro football.

  8. jaxvid

    jaxvid Hall of Famer

    Oct 15, 2004
    1968 was the best year of my life. I was ten years old and a first year baseball fan. The Detroit Tigers won the pennant and a seven game world series that year.

    Our family had moved out of the middle of the city in 1967 because of riots. I don't believe there were any in Detroit after MLK was killed. Me and my brothers were worried about it but nothing happened. After 1968 life would never be as innocent again, at least for me and probably for all of America.

    There were plenty of white athletes in all sports back then, I remember some of the faces from the cards I collected. They all seemed like decent men, the kind a lid could look up to. That's all changed too.
  9. white lightning

    white lightning Hall of Famer Staff Member

    Oct 16, 2004
    So if 1968 was the turning point,that is almost 40 years ago now.When can we expect to start making a major change?That is the big question.Wouldn't it be great if only we could reverse most of these things just as quickly and easily as they did.It will take enough americans opening their eyes.Stop being blinded by the media and don't believe everything you read.I can only hope that within the next decade,it will continue to slowly get a little better.Boxing is only the start!!
  10. sport historian

    sport historian Master

    Dec 18, 2004
    I was a college freshman in the fall of 1968. Don has it right in his post. The left had control of the "culture" and even though "conservatives" would win most elections in 1968 and afterward, the cultural left has won in the long run. For example, a "conservative" President, GWB, sounds exactly like a liberal in his public statements. First, liberals "Captured The Culture," and eventuallythey had the country.
  11. Colonel Callan

    Colonel Callan Guru

    Oct 16, 2004
    I have mentioned 1968 in other threads, in fact I mention it one of my
    recent (and long winded) threads over in the Track and Field section. The
    bolshevists were feeling their oats and pulled the pin. The coverage in
    Sports Illustrated shifted gears in almost no time flat. Black supremacy in
    speed, ability etc. was pushed as the status quo. It is so hard to get
    people, well, the sheeple, to realize there is literally a war going on, and
    part of the campaign against whites is what is being done to sports. Over
    at Amren, this stuff comes up, and even WNs over there bow to the
    brainwashing that's been done is sports and parts of academia. (BTW -
    I've been over there a few times and have seen material lifted from my
    posts at another site, and a few things from posts I'd seen here - or on
    the old castefootball site - but it wasn't me posting there, I don't bother -
    I doubt if you guys post their either)

    Yeah Don, if things do collapse on us - I don't believe they will - but if
    they do, 1968 will be hailed by the enemy, along with 1965 (the
    Immigration Act) and 1963, with JFK getting popped. I am not a JFK fan,
    but I honestly think that since JFK believed he was actually supposed to
    be in charge, and began doing things that showed this, he was the victim
    of a coup, and the execution was to also serve as a warning. He was
    ticking off the oil people and monsters, but more importantly, he was
    having $4 billion in US Treasury notes printed instead of "Federal Reserve"
    notes, pissing off the money masters. He was embroiled in a battle with
    Israel over nukes and land, problems with the CIA and FBI over things too
    numerous to list. He wasn't exactly jumping on the Snivel Rights
    bandwagon quick enough for the folks at the top either. Several forces
    go together and showed who was really in control.But there I go again,
    running off course. I can hear the chuckles. However, 1968 was the year
    it hit the fan in earnest.

    I wonder how many potential Jim Taylors (or even better) kids have never
    been given a chance at RB, never mind all the white kids at other "black
    positions". It is absolutely evil, and enforced with an iron fist. The people
    behind all this are so insidious I think they let the odd white player
    "sneak" through once in a great while to help enforce the brainwashing,
    to show how that the exception to the "rule" proves the rule. It certainly
    isn't because they're worried about the white fan base disappearing. Yet. Edited by: Colonel Callan
  12. GWTJ

    GWTJ Mentor

    Jul 21, 2005
    New Jersey
    This is a topic very close to my heart. I was born in 1960 and really don't remember the sixties all that much. I remember watching men land on the moon and my 5th grade teacher bringing in a Beatles album and showing us the clues to Paul's death. I remember the Mets winning the Series and Joe Namath. As I got older, I realized the sixties were about breaking free from all the rules and disciplinarians one had to deal with in their everyday life. I remember how strict my dad was and how none of us kids wanted to sit next to him at the dinner table because we were in hitting distance. If I didn't obey all adults all the time I was whipped soundly. Fear was the one and only motivating factor in how I grew up. I have taken an informal poll and found that my experience was the norm. Among both blacks and whites.

    I believe we are experiencing a backlash from all that discipline. People are probably too lenient on their children today, remembering their own hellish childhood. Is there anyone reading this that doesn't agree that seeing dad walk down the hallway towards you wasn't a scary moment?

    In The Beatles: Anthology, John and Paul talk about all the barriers they had to break in the rigid music industry. When they started to get big they wanted to have their own compositions played on the radio but were told there were songwriting teams that wrote all the hit songs for the pop stars. It took tremendous guts to insist that their own songs be given a chance. When they wrote their songs they were constantly being told they couldn't do this or couldn't do that. Things like what instruments they had to play to what the lyrics should be or how long the song could be. They ignored the powers in charge and did what they wanted to do. That WAS the recurring theme of the sixties. In every walk of life and every profession people were insisting that the establishment loosen up.

    IBM started allowing their workers to wear colored shirts to work instead of only white. The result is today's more relaxed attire everywhere, from work to church to school.

    In the sports world things were changing also. Muhammad Ali moved from the sports page to the front page. Joe Willie wore fur coats and Joe Pepitone used a hair dryer in the clubhouse. The crewcut all the players wore was being replaced by long hair and facial hair.

    Every special interest group wanted their piece of the action. They got it too. Minorities, women, even children all broke barriers as the sixties moved into the seventies.

    I couldn't have been more happy with things. I have always felt a sense of gratitude for the generation of young people in the sixties who defied authority and opened doors for everyone. If you had asked me in the year 1990 I would have told you the sixties generation gets my vote as the greatest of generations. But I have children now(homeschooled), and I am starting to think the pendulum may have swung too far. There seems to be no discipline at all now. Blacks(minorities) think they're the majority, women think they're men and children think they're adults. Guys like us on this site are wondering what the hell happened. I hate to say it but I hope the pendulum gets a chance to swing back the other way in the near future.
  13. Colonel_Reb

    Colonel_Reb Hall of Famer

    Jan 9, 2005
    The Deep South
    Yeah, it has gone way to far GWTJ, and I hope it swings back the other way too.
  14. Colonel Callan

    Colonel Callan Guru

    Oct 16, 2004
    The real reasons for encouraging all the "rebellion" against the status quo
    were to break down white male/Western style authority. The breaking
    down of some rigid rules that seemed to be out of date was cover to
    wreck America. The agitators that pushed for "civil rights" were seeking
    to destabilize the country, to divide and conquer. I could go on, but most
    of the changes in society that took place in the 1960's were to undermine
    our very civilization. They did.
  15. BeyondFedUp

    BeyondFedUp Master

    Oct 30, 2004
    United States
    Well said Colonel. I am only 42 butI have to agree with the theme here. I believe there was a plan put in place by ruling elites to destroy our values, our people, and our culture with no holds barred. It has been extremely succesful not just in the athletics scopeand it is going to only get worse I'm afraid to say.

    I don't remember the 60's much. I was a normal white kid in small-town down-to-earth America. In fact, I was oblivious to how bad blacks hate whites and didn't really realize the great divide to it's extent until OJ murdered those two people in L.A. I was absolutely AMAZED, yes totally amazed and dumbfounded that even though everyone (YES INCLUDING ALL THE BLACKS) absolutely knew this bastard did it, the blacks CHEERED shriekingly loud all over America. I was astounded. It blew me away. It began to absolutely open my eyes to the cultural,value and moral divide there is between us. If Terry Bradshaw, Stabauch, Namath, Aikman, or any other star white player obviously murdered two people by butchering them, we whites would have called for his head on a platter, and rightfully so.

    We just don't get it, it seems, that our cultures will never be "the same" no matter how much our godless mass media and "the power of the pen" they enforce to control public opinion will attempt to say otherwise.
  16. White_Savage

    White_Savage Mentor

    May 20, 2005
    I kind of halfway agree with GWTJ's moderate position on the 60's, but then again...

    There was little actual progress towards freedom in a SUBSTANTIVE sense in the 1960s. Talk of "free expression" is nice, but not when you start telling a guy he can't pick who he lets in his resteraunt.

    And come to think of it, in the 40's or 50's it wasn't like there were LAWS against my long hair, my beard, my Odin-worship, or any of my preferences that might be considered "counter-cultural". Sure, there might be social censure for being unusual, but so what, that's a fact of life in any time. Just look at what you get for being a "racist" today...and on top of that, law piling upon law from our "benevolent gubment", snaking into every aspect of life.

    Nope, I'd say in the balance, we really haven't gotten freer.
  17. JD074

    JD074 Master

    Oct 19, 2004
    And as far as parenting goes, we certainly don't want abusive parents, but we definitely don't want overly permissive ones either. We have middle schoolers engaging in oral sex, drugs everywhere, way too much TV and video games, fat and sedentary kids who spend too much time indoors, kids taking all sorts of psychoactive drugs to curb their bad behavior, our educational system is falling apart, etc etc etc. The vast majority of teenagers (especially around 16, I think) could use more discipline. Not necessarily the belt or paddle, but something. I know I could've used more discipline when I was around 16-18. My parents did a great job raising me, but I needed to be "reigned in" at that point. I think a lot of kids need that.

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