Favre coming back?

There is a report currently on ESPN that Brett has the "itch" to come back and his family is encouraging him to play again. I know Favre has a few detractors on this site but I am a huge fan of his and hope he does come back. He had one of his best seasons last year and is still capable of playing the game at a high level. It sucks for Aaron Rodgers and Favre is yanking more than a few chains but he is not the first star athlete to change his mind and want to play again.
There is a small possibility that the Packers let go of the rights to Favre and maybe he goes and plays somewhere else. There are few larger than life white athletes that are accepted by everybody, Favre is one of the few. I hope he comes back for that reason and because I love to watch a guy play with the infectious enthusiasm that Favre brings to the table. I know that this will likely be a minority opinion around here and so I thought I would get my thoughts in before this thread goes in another direction.

I like watching him play too. I don't know if his "itch" will ever get scratched.

I've always seen Favre as a catch-22. On the one hand, he's one of the very few larger-than-life white athletes. On the other hand, he's an incredibly arrogant caste-clown who never treats other whites (especially skill players) with any semblance of respect.

I think many here at CF dont like Favre simply because the puppets in the media try to convince us how amazing he is on a daily basis...with unyielding praise given throughout every game he's ever played. I think we all agreed long ago that anything the sports media (and news media) tells you is true, the opposite must actually be true.

I hope Farve goes to another team so I can watch Aaron Rodger finally get his shot. Rodgers had an interview with that moronic hack, Jim Rome, and mentioned how well the Packers' new WR, Jordie Nelson, was working out....Farve probably wouldnt even remember Jordie's name or praise him in any way....he can stay retired for all I care.Edited by: Thrashen

Thrashen said:

I've always seen Favre as a catch-22. On the one hand, he's one of the very few larger-than-life white athletes. On the other hand, he's an incredibly arrogant caste-clown who never treats other whites (especially skill players) with any semblance of respect.

I think many here at CF dont like Favre simply because the puppets in the media try to convince us how amazing he is on a daily basis...with unyielding praise given throughout every game he's ever played. I think we all agreed long ago that anything the sports media (and news media) tells you is true, the opposite must actually be true.

I hope Farve goes to another team so I can watch Aaron Rodger finally get his shot. Rodgers had an interview with that moronic hack, Jim Rome, and mentioned how well the Packers' new WR, Jordie Nelson, was working out....Farve probably wouldnt even remember Jordie's name or praise him in any way....he can stay retired for all I care.

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"Incredibly arrogant caste clown"??? He's always handled himself in a humble and classy way.


"Never treats other whites with any respect"??? Are you saying he treated his offensive linemen like dirt? I've never heard of or seen Favre treating white people with no respect.


The only white skill player he ever had to throw to while with the Packers was Bill Schroeder. He did yell at Schroeder once for alligator-arming a pass. But Bill was one of the most successful white receivers of the past 20 years with Favre throwing him the ball:


1999: 74/1051/5


2000: 65/999/4


2001: 53/918/9


There was the infamous incident with giving Michael Strahan the sack record, but to call Favre an incredibly arrogant anti-white caste clown is really out there.





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I actually hope he comes back for one more season. Jordy won't get a lot of passes thrown his way in his first season either way. Jordy will likely be 4th on the depth chart at WR to start the season and "might" pass Jones on the depth chart as the slot guy late in the season depending on performance.

If I were Favre, I would think of it as one last hurrah. He just came off one of his best seasons and they almost made the Super Bowl. Play to have fun and shed the image which I hope is false that you don't want to help Rodgers by promising the organization that this is definitely your last hurrah and giving Rodgers helpful tips and encouragement whenever you can. This is Favre's team and always will be, but that doesn't mean he can stay for ever. I think one more season would sound about right though!

I just hope he doesn't pull a Magic Johnson and come back but then not come back, but then come back again, then get old, then retire again.

"Never treats other whites with any respect"

I have seen Favre get on plenty of black team mates!

The latest is that Favre wants to play for Carolina:
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Agent Bus Cook has been yapping a lot over the past several months regarding the future of his star client, Brett Favre.


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I wouldn't mind seeing that. Aaron Rodgers gets his chance to shine and Brett makes one last run at the Super Bowl. If this happens, I would love to see the first time the Panthers/Packers play. Oh the drama and storylines in that one would be incredible.

I agree with Thrashen. Favre never defended Bill Schroeder against the incredibly unfair fan treatment he received, or urged the team to give the very talented Travis Jervey a chance, and he also dropped his supposed "best friend" on the Packers, TE Mark Chmura, like a hot potato after he was charged with having sex with an underage girl. I don't think there were any other white skill position players during his long tenure with the Packers. Certainly Favre wasn't going to lobby for any. Don't forget, also, that he publicly stated that it "wasn't his job" to mentor Aaron Rodgers, after the Packers drafted him. If Donovan McNabb or Daunte Culpepper said that, we'd be all over him. We ought to criticize Favre for saying it.

Favre has been a linchpin of the Caste System for the past few decades. As Thrashen noted, he is beloved by all the jock-sniffers who hate every other white player. What is even more amazing is the fact that none of the white-hating black talking heads ever criticize him in the least. Even when Favre publicly took the side of management against black WR Javon Walker in a contract dispute, something that no player had ever done before, none of the predictable cries were raised against him in the media, or by any other black players. Think about that; if Peyton Manning publicly urged the Colts not to rework Reggie Wayne's contract, probably half of the Colts' black players would either speak up loudly in protest or threaten to hold out with Reggie. When Favre did that to Walker, there was barely a murmur of protest from his black teammates. What other white player could get away with that?

Favre should not be supported by any true fan of sports, simply because he laid down on the field to give an opposing player a record. Even if he was a proud, outspoken opponent of the Caste System, that kind of dishonest behavior cannot be defended. There is no parallel to that in the history of competitive athletics. While some of us have long suspected these games are fixed, the Favre-Strahan incident is the only one in history where one player clearly and obviously dropped the competitive posture during a contest for the benefit of someone on the opposing team.

Favre's arrogance is in full view here; for the past several seasons, he has played the "will he or won't he retire" game to the full hilt, while the jock-sniffers in the media played along dutifully. Now, after finally retiring, he issued cryptic comments hinting at a comeback almost from the moment his retirement was officially announced. What other player has ever done that? How do you "comeback" when you haven't missed a game yet? Favre is as full of himself as any of the obnoxious black players we all despise. He should have nipped the first rumor about him "coming back" in the bud with a strong statement like "Hey, I just retired. I'm not playing this season." But no, he is a true drama queen, much like T.O. or Chad Johnson, and simply can't live without the attention. Now it appears he really will be playing somewhere this season.

I want to celebrate one of the few white NFL stars of the modern era as much as anyone else here, but I just don't think there is anything to like about Brett Favre.

Yeah, he should have been publicly lobbying for Jervey and more white WRs. That would have been a great career move.


I really don't understand the anti-Favre feelings. I think it stems from the Strahan episode. The guy likes to play football and when he's not playing he hangs out on his ranch and hunts and fishes and golfs. He's always stayed true to his roots by living where he grew up. He's married to his high school sweetheart. He doesn't have a big head in the least. To label him "arrogant" is absurd. He about as white as it gets in the way he dresses, acts, speaks, and what his values are.


Lots of athletes waver on retirement; Roger Clemens is a good example. Brett Favre in his late 30s is still abetter quarterback than any of the black QBs hyped by the media. He's a living legend and a rebuke to the Caste System and I love watching him play.

I think Brett is a great hard nosed player, but I have never been a big fan of his. I am glad he's white and is as looked up to as he is by the media. For that reason alone I'd like to see him come back and have another great year. Every year for the past 5 or so, we hear the talking heads saying hemight be better toretire, but McNair gets no such discussion, only effusive praise. The double standard sickens me so I'd like for Favre to have another stellar year at his age.

"Favre is as full of himself as any of the obnoxious black players we all despise. He should have nipped the first rumor about him "coming back" in the bud with a strong statement like "Hey, I just retired. I'm not playing this season." But no, he is a true drama queen, much like T.O. or Chad Johnson, and simply can't live without the attention. Now it appears he really will be playing somewhere this season."


This was the point I was trying to make. I retract my statement that he is an arrogant caste-clown, however, I think everyone here could admit that he's in love the "the spotlight" as much as any black baffoon playing in the NFL today. He seems almost in cahoots with the liberal media who treats him like God himself.

As bigunreal has pointed out MANY times, Farve-lead teams never had any white skills players (other than Schroeder and Churmura, many years ago), and he never lobbied for ANY change to that "caste-status-quo," now did he? Need I mention Travis Jervey? Need I mention Marc Boerigder? Need I mention homosexual Michael Strahan?

Don brings up the many good parts about Favre, which are all true, and good points. I guess some of us here are just conditioned to think the opposite of what the media tells us ....and justifiably, they think Farve is a great football player.

The mediais fixated onquarterbacks, and does give a lot of props and manlove to the occasional great white one while others don't get the respect they deserve. They love Favre for the most part, but they loved John Elway just as much if not more. (Every time Elway made a nice play in a nationally televised game, Dick Enberg could be counted on to gush, "Oh, Elway!!")


Joe Montana was and is revered. Same with Dan Marino, Troy Aikmanand Tom Brady. And of course the older generation -- Unitas, Starr, Namath and others. But the media hasnever liked Peyton Manning much and probably never will. The admiration of Favre has a lot to do with his style on and off the field. Even though he's of the despised race and from the Deep South,the media finds itvery difficult not to like him and root for him.

Why doesn't the media like Peyton Manning very much? Did he do something bad?

Anyway he's one of the few whites I've seen advertising Gatorade, or, as they call it in the ghetto, "water".

The media likes Favre because he is emotional and animated. It makes for good TV. That's why some of them like blacks. Manning is probably viewed as rehearsed and stiff by them. My father was a bigger fan of Don Meredith than he was of Roger Staubach for similar reasons. I have mixed feelings about Favre. I can understand why some here don't like him. But I do like his competiveness and toughness. He clearly still loves the game after all these years.

This report from today's Rotoworld, if true, just confirms that Brett Favre has exasperated the Packers' patience beyond all reason:

FoxSports.com's Jay Glazer and the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel both report that the Packers would "never" release Brett Favre, as he requested Friday. They would rather trade him or make him Aaron Rodgers' backup. Favre won't back up anyone, but the Packers won't just give away Favre for free. He writes that Favre was set to un-retire in late March, with both GM Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy's approval. The Packers even chartered a jet for Favre to announce his return, but Favre changed his mind yet again two days before the scheduled announcement. The Packers then smartly decided to move on. This helps explain the team's motivations and why they will continue to play hardball.

How hard is it for him to make up his mind? What kind of guy retires, then almost immediately wants to play again, then after getting the team to agree to that, once again changes his mind at the last minute, only to change it back to wanting to play again a few months later? No athlete in the history of professional sports has done anything remotely like this. He has put the Packers in a no-win situation.

GiovaniMarcon said:

Why doesn't the media like Peyton Manning very much? Did he do something bad?

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Yeah, that the media has been harsh on Manning is news to me, too. What did Peyton do, Don? We who are "out of the loop" are waiting for an explanation.

John

bigunreal said:

How hard is it for him to make up his mind? What kind of guy retires, then almost immediately wants to play again, then after getting the team to agree to that, once again changes his mind at the last minute, only to change it back to wanting to play again a few months later? No athlete in the history of professional sports has done anything remotely like this. He has put the Packers in a no-win situation.

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Favre "retired" so dramatically and emphatically that the Packers were right to move on to the Aaron Rodgers era. Rodgers has patiently waited his turn and now it's his time. Because they have a first round pick in Rodgers, the Packers were ready to part ways with Favre before he dramatically picked up his play last season by playing within the system more and being a pure gunslinger less.


Ithas becomea drama queen situation, but at least it's a white player getting all the attention. If not, all this news and speculation about Favre would be filled with the usual adoring puff pieces about various black players.


At some point the media and "public opinion" may turn against Brett. The Packers fans may have already since Favre asked for his release from the team. The drunk white fans can turn on their own in a second, even the "legends."Edited by: Don Wassall

foreverfree said:

Yeah, that the media has been harsh on Manning is news to me, too. What did Peyton do, Don? We who are "out of the loop" are waiting for an explanation.

John

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Peyton didn't "do" anything, other than being born white and brought up well by his parents with traditional values. The media in general doesn't like white athletes and are reluctant to give them their due while being quick to jump all over them for poor play. The exceptions are the rare QBs such as Montana, Elwayor Favre. Manning was regularly scorned as "unable to win the big game," and his mannerisms and accent have been mocked. It was a lot worse for Eli until his amazing playoff run last season. I've heard the Mannings referred to by "comedians" and drunk white fansas "inbred" and "retarded" among other things.Edited by: Don Wassall

It will be very interesting if Brett ends up with a hated division rival like the Vikings or Bears and the reception he gets the first time he comes back to Green Bay in another uniform. I think they will still cheer for him. If Green Bay doesn't keep him and make him the starter they will probably trade him somewhere in the AFC. I am guessing Jets, Bills or Baltimore. I hate this breakup because I would love to see Favre back in GB and throwing to Jordy Nelson and watch Hawk, Kampmann and company take the Pack to the Super Bowl. I do feel sorry for Aaron Rodgers however, he can't say anything at all, it's a bad situation for him.

The saga continues. There has been a lot of talk about this on the airwaves.


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MILWAUKEE (AP)â€â€￾Brett Favre finally is speaking for himself: He wants to play but doesn't feel welcome in Green Bay, so he's asking to be released.


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For a country boy he's developed a strong diva side.

Don Wassall said:

foreverfree said:

Yeah, that the media has been harsh on Manning is news to me, too. What did Peyton do, Don? We who are "out of the loop" are waiting for an explanation.

John

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Peyton didn't "do" anything, other than being born white and brought up well by his parents with traditional values.  The media in general doesn't like white athletes and are reluctant to give them their due while being quick to jump all over them for poor play.  The exceptions are the rare QBs such as Montana, Elway or Favre.  Manning was regularly scorned as "unable to win the big game," and his mannerisms and accent have been mocked.  It was a lot worse for Eli until his amazing playoff run last season.  I've heard the Mannings referred to by "comedians" and drunk white fans as "inbred" and "retarded" among other things.

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I have posted this before, but I have never seen another college football player who had such high numbers. and was as famous, fail to win the Heisman trophy. Keith Jackson kept saying during his broadcasts, "I want to see a defensive player win the Heisman trophy." I don't recall Jackson saying that in other years. Other media types got the ball rolling, and Peyton Manning did not win the Heisman.

Manning can be stiff and rehearsed; IIRC, he embarassed himself once in public while having a few beers in college or right after he got to the pros. Nothing big, he wasn't drunk, but he's very guarded and controlled. That said, he has loosened up a bit since winning the superbowl.

I dislike Favre; I don't care how much fun he has playing the game at his age. I've never been a big fan of his. I think he's only back because the Packers GM and coach didn't come to kiss his ass and beg him to return. This is Favre's version of a tantrum. Best case scenario all round is him being traded to the Vikes in a Herschel Walker-type deal. Rob them, get Tavaris Jackson on the bench, and let the crybaby play. More entertaining would be Favre holding a clipboard tho.