David Ball vs Mike Hass

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It is a good job that the NFL limit the size of practice squads, or else Lovie would be able to imprison more good white receivers in the black hole that is the Bears practice squad. Now that Ball has escaped there is room for one more. Let's see what happens in the 2008 draft!
 

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Mike Hass is inactive yet again. what a piece of sh*t Smith is, to keep him on the roster and prevent other teams from signing him, and then give him NO CHANCE as a receiver... he played in 1 game, special temas only.
 
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This is a classic case of a coach being afraid of playing a guy who he knows will make him look bad. If he plays Hass and gets a stellar performance then everyone says, "Why didn't Smith play him sooner?" I'm not sure how Hass' contract is structured, but lets hope he can find a way out of Chicago and onto a team that will allow him an opportunity to play. I'm guessing he is probably an exclusive rights free agent, which means at least one more year being burried on the Bears bench.
 
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Angelo gave a year end press conference and exclaimed that he was puzzled by Smith not activating Hass.
 

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KyleSingler,

Yes, it's possible that he just doesn't have what it takes to be a receiver in the nfl, but then why would a team have him taking up a spot on their practice squad?

I think it's safe that he's probably better than most of the receivers on the Bears.

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How about this thought: How many Bilentnikoff winners are considered not 'good'?


How many former winners of this award haven't received a legitimate shot to start in the NFL?
 

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Angelo gave a year end press conference and exclaimed that he was puzzled by Smith not activating Hass.

did he really? is there any links to that press conference by any chance? i wonder if that may mean good news for Hass
 

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Stonewall said:
How about this thought: How many Bilentnikoff winners are considered not 'good'?


How many former winners of this award haven't received a legitimate shot to start in the NFL?


The weakest Biletnikoff winner in the past decade in terms of "measurables" was Josh Reed, who is short and slow, yet he was drafted in the second round by the Bills. And despite being a bust -- his career best is 588 receiving yards -- six years later, slow little Josh Reed is still a starter. If only Hass was shorter, slower, unproductive, and most importantly black, he'd just be finishing up his second year as an NFL starter.
 
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backrow said:
wile said:
Angelo gave a year end press conference and exclaimed that he was puzzled by Smith not activating Hass.

did he really? is there any links to that press conference by any chance? i wonder if that may mean good news for Hass


They edited it out of the video feed on the Bears website, but I found this link to an article that at least mentions it was said.


[url]http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/printedition/ cs-04-haugh-onbearschicagojan04,1,3232264.story?coll=cs-spor ts-print[/url]
 

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The article should be posted for reference b/c it may be deleted from the website you found it on's archives. Hass is a perfect example of what a white WR no matter how well he did in college is up against.


No Jerry-rigging
GM vows to solidify Bears' weak foundation, writes David Haugh

David Haugh

January 4, 2008

Of all the answers Jerry Angelo provided Thursday in his long-awaited post-mortem of the Bears' disappointing season, the one he couldn't come up with was the most telling.

Asked to identify the players on offense around whom the Bears can build, Angelo singled out nobody.

Click here to find out more!
The Bears will spend the off-season in search of that missing identity.

"Who are the building blocks?" Angelo said. "I can't sit here and say I feel 100 percent about anybody."

While it was interesting to note Angelo didn't mention offensive linemen Olin Kreutz or John Tait, nobody on the Bears' offense had any right to feel offended, with the possible exception of tight ends Desmond Clark and Greg Olsen. The emasculation of the team's supposed power running game was that complete.

In between the verbal gobbledy******* that often muddies Angelo's message, the Bears general manager delivered a more frank and accurate appraisal of what the Bears are -- and aren't -- than his head coach three days earlier.

"What's the optimum word? Honesty," Angelo said. "As long as we're honest about our evaluation, which we will be, then we will get this thing righted."

The same guy who in a radio interview two weeks ago branded the offense "inept" maintained that critical theme by promising "more competition on the offensive side of the ball." In other words, neither Cedric Benson nor Rex Grossman, whom Angelo said he hopes to re-sign, will be assured anything but a battle at training camp.

"In all likelihood, without sitting and talking to the coaches, off the top of my head, it has to be competition," Angelo said about the quarterback depth chart if Grossman is re-signed.

He didn't rule out exploring the trade market for a veteran such as Cleveland quarterback Derek Anderson or -- dare to dream -- Donovan McNabb. But given the late-season progress of Kyle Orton and Angelo's stated interest in Grossman returning, those inquiries might fall under the category of Angelo doing his "due diligence."

"We have to get the position stabilized," Angelo said. "We would like to have Rex back, in the mix. We'll talk through that. Rex showed good play, particularly after he was coming back off his little sabbatical."

When it came to Benson, Angelo seemed to lower the bar considerably for a player picked fourth overall in the 2005 draft. Running backs drafted that high should qualify as franchise runners by the end of their third seasons, injury woes or not. Benson clearly doesn't, but at least Angelo sees that.

"My definition of a feature back is sometime during the course of a game you have to make two or three runs of more than 20 yards," he said.

Benson had three runs longer than 20 yards in 196 carries. All three came in Benson's final two games before a leg injury against Denver that might have cost him the last five games of the season but could have saved his roster spot in 2008 because of the late flash.

"Franchise is a strong word, [but] I'd like to think he could still be a featured back," Angelo said. "But there will be strong competition at that position. If something were to arise in the marketplace and/or the draft that we feel can complement the backs or give us the type of competition we feel we need, then we're going to look at that."

The Bears also will take at least a cursory glance at the three players entering free agency likely to be the most sought after at their respective positions: linebacker Lance Briggs, wide receiver Bernard Berrian and special-teams ace Brendon Ayanbadejo. But even if the Bears have the necessary funds with the salary cap increasing to $116 million, Angelo sounded realistic about the market steering those players to pastures full of more green.

"If we don't [re-sign them], then we have other players who can take their place," Angelo said.

Wisely, Angelo left open the possibility of sticking the franchise tag on Berrian if the Bears conclude they might be too thin at the position to let him flee.

He reaffirmed belief in his core philosophy of a strong defense and solid running game, freshly armed with a statistic out of the Dallas Morning News that showed teams with a 100-yard runner winning 105 of 142 games this season.

"We have to run the football," Angelo said.

For the Bears' failure to stop the run, Angelo appropriately placed most blame on the secondary for a bad defense prone to giving up such big plays.

Addressing Smith's desire to bring back every assistant from a 7-9 staff, Angelo defended his coach's choice to feel comfortable with the people he works with daily. Note that Angelo didn't say he necessarily endorsed the return of the entire staff.

Angelo grew testier when pressed about the inexperience of a staff whose experience he had just hailed. Three of the four defensive assistant coaches were doing their jobs at the NFL level for the first time this year.

"That's a matter of opinion," Angelo said of the need for a more experienced staff.

It was Angelo's opinion that rookie guard Josh Beekman and reserve wide receiver Mike Hass could have gotten onto the field after the Bears were eliminated from the playoffs. But he understood why the coaches kept both players inactive.

There was only one thing Angelo really never understood about this season, and still doesn't: Why it went south so quickly.

"We competed but just weren't able to find that little something at the end to finish the game," Angelo said. "What is that? If I knew that answer, I would be in Canton, but unfortunately I don't really see that in my future either."

Now that's the kind of honesty the Bears need this off-season.

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dhaugh@tribune.com


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hey guys thought these draft profiles would interest you and be good for proving racism against whites on any other forums you might go on and since one is mike hass i thought i'd post it here:

hass
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=15377

"ocho cinco"
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=29868

they are equal in almost everything but the only numbers with any significant difference favor hass. he also had WAAYYYY better production.Johnson was projected as a 1st or 2nd rounder, drafted that way and immediately given a chance (and he is a good receiver before i get some troll coming at me). hass on the other hand was project as a 3rd (huh?), drafted in the 6th if i remember, cut in camp despite everyone saying he was dominant, and now cant get off the inactive list no matter what he does...F***ing ridiculous
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He didn't rule out exploring the trade market for a veteran such as Cleveland quarterback Derek Anderson or -- dare to dream -- Donovan McNabb

I guess this is why I could never manage an NFL franchise. Who is the obviously better quarterback, Anderson or McNabb? This guy writes up this piece as though McNabb is not only better than Anderson, but ridiculously so.

And that's why the Bear will stink again next year. They keep their best receiver on the team inactive and want to chase guys like McNabb over Anderson.
 

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From the article above: It was Angelo's opinion that rookie guard Josh Beekman and reserve wide receiver Mike Hass could have gotten onto the field after the Bears were eliminated from the playoffs. But he understood why the coaches kept both players inactive.


The obvious question that any good journalist should have asked Angelo at this point is, what was the coaches' reasoning for keeping Hass inactive? I'm sureSmith'sexplanationwas b.s., but did any of the reporters at this"long awaited post-mortem"ask or was Angelo's explanation accepted at face value without any follow-up?
 
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Mr. Wassal the reason this so called journalist did not ask the follow up question, is probably becuase he is a esmasculated white man who believes that whites have no ablility to play at WR. If I was Mike Hass I would demand to be traded. He should consult Kevin Curtis and see the results of standing up for yourself and the belief in your skills.Edited by: white lightning
 

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Hass should have been playing and thats all there is to it. Lovie Smith is about as anti-white as they come. Stupid "sideline stoic!"
 

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I've been screaming for Hass all year. This was a post of mine on a bears message board a while back. I wonder if the poster above saw this since he used the same comparison to Chad Johnson. As for knocking the author of the Bears piece...I think his dare to dream comment was more due to so many Bear fans clamoring for McNabb.


Hass has done nothing but catch everything thrown his way now for two years. People were saying in 2006 that his hands were like sticky paper. He caught everything in camp again this year. He won the Biletnikoff award and set other records in the Pac 10. What does he have to do to get a shot? People judge him by where he was picked in the draft. Well I know where Hass was picked and I have no idea why he dropped where he did. He faced the same talent as Reggie Bush and nobody ever questioned his accomplishments. The fact is, the scouts play a guessing game. Why they guessed Hass shouldn't be ranked high...I don't know...I have a theory, but I'll keep it to myself. The Bears have Hass in front of their eyes. They see how capable he is...they don't need some scout to tell them what he brings to the table. Not playing him right now defies all logic and I can't fathom why he isn't in the lineup with the crap we have thrown out there. Our receivers are horsesh*t at getting open and catching the ball and here you have a guy who will catch everything thrown his way...yet he can't get on the field. Yeah maybe we don't know how he will fair against NFL players...so why the hell aren't we finding out?? Is Berrian too good to sit down?? Is Moose?? These guys are not held accountable for their actions.


Hass had to learn every position just to make the squad according to Turner. "We said, 'Mike, if you're going to make it, you're going to have to know every position. You're going to have to be a guy who can play inside, outside, X, Z; everything. If you can't do that, you're not going to have a shot.'" As unfair as it was, I like that he has had to work harder then everyone else to get his shot...I think that's what will give him that extra edge, that desire for perfection. He knows if he screws up...it could very well be his career, but if we don't use that edge...what good is it?? Berrian and Moose certainly don't play with that edge. Berrian is too dam worried about his contract next year.


"You hear guys now and then say a guy who's easy to throw to," said backup quarterback Brian Griese. "What that means is he's in the right place. He gives you an opportunity to throw him the ball in a safe way and you know he's going to be there and make the catch. Those things factor in as a quarterback. There are some guys you like to throw to and other who guys who don't give you that comfort, but he does."


And what do people think about this?? Oh he gets credit for making the roster, but seriously lets not look at him when going forward. Hass is not a factor. Why is that exactly?? Why do other Biletnikoff award winners get their shot and not this one?


2006 - Calvin Johnson, WR Georgia Tech


2005 - Mike Hass, Oregon State


2004 - Braylon Edwards, Michigan


2003 - Larry Fitzgerald, Pittsburgh


2002 - Charles Rogers, Mich St


2001 - Josh Reed, LSU


2000 - Antonio Bryant, Pittsburgh


1999 - Troy Walters, Stanford


1998 - Troy Edwards, La Tech


1997 - Randy Moss, Marshall


What's different about Hass? Why should he just be cast away? What is it some fans have seen in him to declare him not part of the future?? It's ridiculous that this team has a case of the dropsies and bad route running and they refuse to play the one guy that does both correctly. If he's a bust lets find out? He has earned that right. It's hilarious howI hear people just dismiss Hass and then clamor for a Bobby Engram type. Mike Hass is *** Bobby Engram, only bigger and stronger, buthe can't get on the field for some reason...anyone care to tell me why???


Oh yeah maybe speed is his problem....Yeah he ran a 4.59 at the combine. Berrian, our speed guy ran a 4.58!! There are a ton of WR with that speed in the league. Chad Johnson, who some believe to be the top WR in the league, ran a 4.57. In fact, Chad Johnson and Mike Hass have almost the same measurements and combine results.


Hass -<A href="http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=15377" target="_blank">[url]http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=15377 [/url]</A>http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=15377


Johnson-http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=29868


So why does one get every opportunity and the other not even get a chance. 6'1 isn't really small as a WR either. Bottom line is the guy catches everything, he gets open, he's smart, he knows all the positions and most importantly he has the desire and the chip on his shoulder to get it done.


I've had others tell me that the other Biletnikoff winners all ran 4.4 and 4.3 and thats why Hass isn't a star. Well, here's some 40 times of other Biletnikoff winners. There's quite a few that don't have 4.4 or 4.3 speed. Now I know each of these guys bring different intangibles and thats why speed may not be as important, but so does Mike Hass.....so what's the problem???


B. Edwards 4.52


L. Fitzgerald 4.63


J Reed 4.54


A Bryant 4.57


The only thing that separates Hass and other receviers with his same size, speed, combine results etc... is he is white and the others are black. That really isn't a factor....is it??Edited by: Bearly Sane
 

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Great Post, Bearly Sane. I wonder what the responce was on the bears message board when you originally posted this? The points you make above are undeniable and totally make your case for Mike Haas getting some playing time for the Bears.
 

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I think the only reason Angelo didn't press the issue is because he has Lovie under contract for a few years and doesn't want to create a poisonous working environment. Young prospects are always played in garbage games. It's similar to the September call ups in baseball.
 

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If you look at all those players Fitzgerald, Johnson, Charles Rogers, Braylon Edwards and all the rest they were all hyped up as being athletic freaks by the media and clowns like Mel Kiper Jr. I remember Fitzgerald was said to be extremely strong and fast. The only one that got no props was Hass. The one time you have a white Biletnikoff winner noone gives him respect. Hass should have been at least a third receiver on that Bears squad this season.
 
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