Hypothetical Question

Would you ever make a major purchase from a black person in a private transaction?

Like, a used car or something of that nature.

If you have, how was the experience?

Can you can it with the anti-black crap already? It one thing to point out
real double standards and how AA hurts whites, and another to posit stupid
hypotheticals like this to promote anti-black comments. If you want to bash
blacks all day, go to Amren. Its supposed to be a pro-white site, not anti-
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With respect to your comments, mine was not meant to be "anti-black." As my hypothetical question was not sports-related, I posted it in the Happy Hour forum.

There was nothing anti-black in the post. It merely asked if you would buy a major item from a black person. The possibility of someone saying yes -- and giving their reason(s) -- is probably equal to someone saying no, and giving their reasons.

The motivation behind my asking this "stupid hypothetical" is that I am in the market for buying a used car and I found a decent-sounding deal on craigslist.org and the seller is black.

While the fact that the seller is black will probably not alone dictate my purchase decision, I wanted to see how other people might approach making a major purchase from a black person, just to get a broader feel for how it is to do business with blacks in private transactions -- something I have not done before and therefore have no experience in.

I have no interest in 'bashing blacks' though I'm quite sure they bash themselves as a group with their behavior and attitude.

Perhaps I should have explained more fully my whole craigslist thing in the first post. Other than that, I don't feel I need to apologize for anything.

Take care, no offense to you intended.

yanling said:

There was nothing anti-black in the post. It merely asked if you would buy a major item from a black person.
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If you venture into a black area with a wad of cash in your pocket, you may find yourself without the intended item and your money. Better safe than sorry.

Does paying taxes for their welfare checks count?

yanling said:

Would you ever make a major purchase from a black person in a private transaction?

Like, a used car or something of that nature.

If you have, how was the experience?

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I bought a used car from a black guy. The car sucked, but I don't blame him.

I bought my mutual funds, TSA, and life insurance from a black dude. He did some good things but he was hard to get a hold of to make some adjustments.

They both were high end blacks, both were married with children and were easy to understand when they spoke.

There's nothing anti-black in the post? BS. Dude, that's pretty much all
you do around here.

This is an example of CasteFootball trolling version 2.0. Pointing out
double standards or how forced racial integration has been bad for whites
is one thing, making up scenarios to elicit anti-black comments another.
You're an adult, make your own decisions about who to buy from. You
already did before you posted.

If I were to decide who to buy from on racial grounds, it would be whites
only, certainly not asians or any other group. And I would be doing it to
support whites, not to screw over anybody else. I find it difficult to
believe that you are a racially aware asian and pro-white. That's
oxymoronic, obviously. If anybody else wants to play your game, fine.
For all the other posters who are a bit more sophisticated as to the new
breed of trolls around here, let's keep it straight. People in general are
beginning to wake up about a lot of things. I don't want this place to be
another sh*t pit like Amren, where all people do is let out venom. That
gets real old after a while.

I agree with PitBull.


From the posting guidelines: An honest dialogue about sports and race by definition will include negative observations about an individual or race, but if your objective is simply to attack a group of people go elsewhere.

PitBull said:

There's nothing anti-black in the post? BS. Dude, that's pretty much all
you do around here.

This is an example of CasteFootball trolling version 2.0. Pointing out
double standards or how forced racial integration has been bad for whites
is one thing, making up scenarios to elicit anti-black comments another.
You're an adult, make your own decisions about who to buy from. You
already did before you posted.

If I were to decide who to buy from on racial grounds, it would be whites
only, certainly not asians or any other group. And I would be doing it to
support whites, not to screw over anybody else. I find it difficult to
believe that you are a racially aware asian and pro-white. That's
oxymoronic, obviously. If anybody else wants to play your game, fine.
For all the other posters who are a bit more sophisticated as to the new
breed of trolls around here, let's keep it straight. People in general are
beginning to wake up about a lot of things. I don't want this place to be
another sh*t pit like Amren, where all people do is let out venom. That
gets real old after a while.

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There are several points in your post I would like to address, but I'll start with your assertion that you find it difficult to believe I am a racially-aware asian and 'pro white.'

I am certainly a racially-aware asian. I am made aware of my asian-ness on a daily basis by blacks, whites, and so on. Many times in a negative way. Have you ever tried to make a left-hand turn into traffic and were stuck behind an asian driver trying to make the same maneuver? Chances are it was me, or a member of my family. It's okay that you might have muttered "f%^king g@@k." Maybe you mutter the same kind of comment to yourself when the other driver is a black person.

I have a positive self-image regardless. So will my family. Our self-esteem isn't affected by whether or not whites or blacks or Mexicans like us.

I am not pro white. As an Asian-American, I hear all the Chinese jokes from white people, and have heard them my whole life. I heard them from blacks, too.

I harbor no illusions. I know that white people as a group have no love lost for China or the Chinese. I don't talk about whites and asians as "us" and "we."

But on the whole, despite the hate and negativity I've gotten from some whites, I know my chances in dealing with whites in what is still [for now] a white-majority country are more positive than in dealing with blacks.

I know that white people are racist. Chances are if you post on this website you are a racist too. It's okay if you like white people best. I expect you to.

I like asian people best. I'm supposed to.

The thing is, I know white people are racist, but they'll for the most part treat me fairly anyway.

The white waitress who hates ch&&ks will still serve me.

I know for the most part blacks are racist, and won't treat me fairly.

But not all. Hence the "hypothetical question." It's presumptuous of you to assume I'm a "troll" based on your experiences on this website. Maybe you've seen all manner of posters prior to my arrival. I don't know them, and I'm not them. I don't blame you for your presumptuousness, then.

I reiterate that my post was not meant to be "anti-black," nor was it made up to elicit anti-black responses. It was an honest question asking people about their experiences in dealing with black people in a business setting.

I could tell you stories about how Japanese people aren't nice to other asians, but I'm sure you don't want to hear them, or have heard them before, or don't care. It's okay.

I had not made my decision before I typed the question. In fact I called the man today. Unfortunately he already sold the car.

The lesson I learned from this is to not dilly-dally.

I could waste your time telling you about how you're all wrong in your judgment of me, but it looks like you've made up your mind.

I look at all the other posts in this forum and don't see how mine is so much more offensive or hate-provoking than any other.

But I digress. This is your board, not mine. I do post on other message boards (asian ones) and have told the members there about how good this site is. I maintain that it is a good message board, despite the fact that it seems I've worn out my welcome (if I ever was welcome), especially if all I do is "BS" here.

To Mr. Wassall, I wish you good luck in your quest to make the sports world a level playing field.

One more time, finally, my post was not meant to be anti-black. It was a legitimate question.

But if that's how you see it, well, you're the boss of the site.

Guys, you need to stop bashing Yanling. I really don't see anything wrong with what he wrote. Besides he has some intersting posts. I am interested to hear his views on topics.

Dude, caveat emptor. You know this, there is no need to ask hypothetical questions about it on Castefootball.

Exercise exactly zero trust of anyone in any private transaction, whatever their race. INcluding relatives. ESPECIALLY relatives. Assume there is something horribly, horribly wrong with any used car you are buying, check it out thouroughly and figure the cost of major repair into the price you're already paying.

When it comes to selling, cash on the barrelhead, 100% of the time. If the bank won't finance someone, you have no business doing so.

Don't leave Yanling. I enjoy your posts, and while some of the posters here can be dicks at times. I enjoy a good discussion, and personally don't mind the black-bashing posts as most of your points are right on

yanling said:

I look at all the other posts in this forum and don't see how mine is so much more offensive or hate-provoking than any other.

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Yours are mild in comparison. I don't understand why you are catching flak. Perhaps there is an underlying sentiment that you may be a troll. I thought so at first, but now, I don't have a clue, and really don't have a problem with your posts. Maybe I am missing something that others are seeing.


If you really are Asian and have grown to dislike blacks through your experiences, you are just one of millions of every stripe who share the same feelings. Edited by: Bart

Bart said:

yanling said:

I look at all the other posts in this forum and don't see how mine is so much more offensive or hate-provoking than any other.

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Yours are mild in comparison.  I don't understand why you are catching flak. Perhaps there is an underlying sentiment that you may be a troll.   I thought so at first, but now, I don't have a clue, and really don't have a problem with your posts. Maybe I am missing something that others are seeing.  


If you really are Asian and have grown to dislike blacks through your experiences, you are just one of millions of every stripe who share the same feelings.

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I agree, maybe my troll radar is not working but I don't think strictly speaking that yanling qualifies. We've all done some gratuitous negro bashing and I don't think he's worse then others.

yanling said:

But I digress. This is your board, not mine. I do post on other message boards (asian ones) and have told the members there about how good this site is.

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What boards are they? How about a couple links to threads on Asian boards where you have promoted this site?

Don and Pit Bull certainly raise legitimate concerns.. and, yes, there is a "black bashing" pattern in Yanling's posts...but IMO the question he raises is an acceptable CF happy-hour type question. If a poster has heard it discussed before or is just uninterested, the thing to do is just to opt out and let the thread die out.

It's true that Yanling has been consistently raising issues of black habits/conduct far more than any sports issue. But as a relatively new poster maybe he is surprised and gratified about the existence of a site like CF and people who largely agree with him; and therefore concludes that this is the perfect time and forum to vent and let off steam about these "social/racial" issues. Over time I think that we will see a greater variety in his posts, as well as a more sports oriented approach.

Anyway, Yanling--don't leave the site. I enjoy your posts and appreciate the fact that you are telling your Asian brethren about us.

Solomon Kane said:

Don and Pit Bull certainly raise legitimate concerns.. and, yes, there is a "black bashing" pattern in Yanling's posts...but IMO the question he raises is an acceptable CF happy-hour type question. If a poster has heard it discussed before or is just uninterested, the thing to do is just to opt out and let the thread die out.

It's true that Yanling has been consistently raising issues of black habits/conduct far more than any sports issue. But as a relatively new poster maybe he is surprised and gratified about the existence of a site like CF and people who largely agree with him; and therefore concludes that this is the perfect time and forum to vent and let off steam about these "social/racial" issues. Over time I think that we will see a greater variety in his posts, as well as a more sports oriented approach.

Anyway, Yanling--don't leave the site. I enjoy your posts and appreciate the fact that you are telling your Asian brethren about us.

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Thank you Solomon kane. I enjoy his posts too. I am sure Yanling has faced discrimination in his life by blacks just as we all have.

PitBull said:

Can you can it with the anti-black crap already? It one thing to point out
real double standards and how AA hurts whites, and another to posit stupid
hypotheticals like this to promote anti-black comments. If you want to bash
blacks all day, go to Amren. Its supposed to be a pro-white site, not anti-
black.

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I have found your posting history to be more anti-black than Yanling, whether it strictly adheres to site guidelines or not. Sure, this is a racial integrity question, that may be unnecessary. However, Yanling has now given a personal reason for the post and this was not off topic in happy hour. I agree keep the site pro-white not anti-black, but what have you done to do this?

Edited to add: Yanling has posed some interesting polls about what we feel are fair racial demographics for the NFL. You also mention PitBull that you only like to make purchases from whites to promote the white race. Well, quite honestly that would have a very negative effect on the black race if all whites adhered to those sentiments. So, that could also be construed as anti-black. So, seems to me that you have a problem with an Asian on a pro-white site. Do you have a problem with him being an Asian on a Pro white site? To me that isn't even a hypothetical question.
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Don Wassall said:

I agree with PitBull.


From the posting guidelines: &lt;FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3&gt;An honest dialogue about sports and race by definition will include negative observations about an individual or race, but if your objective is simply to attack a group of people go elsewhere. </font>

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What about some posts I have seen about random black crimes that have nothing to do with sports. Sure, I agree that the black crime rate is higher, but It seems to me that some posters have taken time to label blacks for being "stupid" "thugs" or "savages" with very little purpose by using crime statistics. Some of these posters have taken a dislike to the open diologue I have brought by giving some socio-economic reasons that may contribute to these statistics.

Many of these posts have been extreme in nature and have very little political clout to them. These extreme posts certainly don't promote the advancement of whites in our "reverse racist" society. It causes people to see our board as being for hot-headed ranters. If we want people to receive our arguments about sports and politics, I think a little diplomacy is nice.

Edited to Add: I have seen a few posts from PitBull that fit the first paragraph description.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

ToughJ.Riggins said:

What about some posts I have seen about random black crimes that have nothing to do with sports.

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What about them? I just love howself-appointed guardiansof the sitedon't mind turningthreads into pissing matches, all the while professing their concern for how people perceive the board.


As for Yanling and his fan club, he hasn't been banned. I don't happen to believe he's Asian. But . . . by his own words he's given us a way to know whether he is or not with a fair degree of certainty. He writes that he's promoted Caste Football on several Asian boards. As I asked above, all he need do is provide us with a couple of links to those threads to establish his credibility as to his ancestry and his honesty. It's been 24 hours now. . . Yanling?

Don Wassall said:

As for Yanling and his fan club, he hasn't been banned. I don't happen to believe he's Asian. But . . . by his own words he's given us a way to know whether he is or not with a fair degree of certainty. He writes that he's promoted Caste Football on several Asian boards. As I asked above, all he need do is provide us with a couple of links to those threads to establish his credibility as to his ancestry and his honesty. It's been 24 hours now. . . Yanling?

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It seems Don's BS detector is in good working condition. I may have to take mine infor recalibration.

Riggins,

You're right on about my previous posts. I regret now that I did that. I
can see how these divisions in America are being used by the elites to get
us fighting other groups instead of them. I decided to turn a new leaf.

As far as buying from whites only, what does that mean? I live in
Chicago, and anybody would be hard-pressed to even know who owns
the stores, much less buy only from stores where all the workers are
white. I just raised the point because Yanling was bringing up race in
something totally different from what is usually discussed here. As it
stands, most of the people I know are white, and do things for them as
friends and acquaintances that I wouldn't do for others. I think that's
pretty much par for the course.

Hey Riggs, you challenged me and here I am, eating a big plate of humble
pie. Where's the erstwhile racially aware "asian"?

PitBull said:

Riggins,

You're right on about my previous posts. I regret now that I did that. I
can see how these divisions in America are being used by the elites to get
us fighting other groups instead of them.

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I must admit to liking your earlier posts... quite a lot. Now, you've got me confused.

ToughJ.Riggins said:

What about some posts I have seen about random black crimes that have nothing to do with sports. Sure, I agree that the black crime rate is higher, but It seems to me that some posters have taken time to label blacks for being "stupid" "thugs" or "savages" with very little purpose by using crime statistics. Some of these posters have taken a dislike to the open diologue I have brought by giving some socio-economic reasons that may contribute to these statistics.

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Yeah? What "socio-economics" explains the Jena 6 beating and black societies support of it?

Many of these posts have been extreme in nature and have very little political clout to them. These extreme posts certainly don't promote the advancement of whites in our "reverse racist" society. It causes people to see our board as being for hot-headed ranters. If we want people to receive our arguments about sports and politics, I think a little diplomacy is nice.

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Politeness and diplomacy in the face of racial emotions is useless. Hot headed ranting at least sends a message of emotional involvement instead of detached appeasement.

And BTW grown men don't want to be lectured to by kids about how to address major societal problems and how to act on discussion boards.

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Yeah? What "socio-economics" explains the Jena 6 beating and black societies support of it?

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I didn't really have a problem with the Jena Posts b/c it fit our arguements about how cohesive blacks are and how they will cry racism even in ridiculous circumstances. This in effect causes racism against whites.

ToughJ.Riggins said:

Many of these posts have been extreme in nature and have very little political clout to them. These extreme posts certainly don't promote the advancement of whites in our "reverse racist" society. It causes people to see our board as being for hot-headed ranters. If we want people to receive our arguments about sports and politics, I think a little diplomacy is nice.

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jaxvid said:

Politeness and diplomacy in the face of racial emotions is useless. Hot headed ranting at least sends a message of emotional involvement instead of detached appeasement.

And BTW grown men don't want to be lectured to by kids about how to address major societal problems and how to act on discussion boards.

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As for the last part; I have tried for the most part to lecture the board less, as it is not my job, but sometimes I get fed up with the more extreme posts that IMO don't have a purpose of fighting for our cause.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins