Tell Me These Games Aren’t Fixed

Wow- tonight's Cowboys-Bills game was a real throwback to the 1970s-era of obviously orchestrated outcomes. In those days, it was very easy to predict the winners, because there were so few "chosen" teams, and they remained the same for a long time. If you bet on the Cowboys, Steelers, Dolphins or Raiders back then, you were a very happy fan.

In recent years, the "fix" has become less obvious and predictable, but I certainly still think the outcomes are preordained. Tonight's Monday Night fiasco was so absurd; one of this year's clear "chosen" teams (the delightful, always popular "America's Team"), dangling on the ropes, looking like they were almost certainly about to be upset by one of the NFL's weak sisters, but then....a fantastic finish, with a dramatic onside kick recovery and a one point victory! Great job all around- but for those of us who have seen this movie a bit too many times, uh...can you change the script?

As I said so many times back then, I'll believe these games are real when one of the weak sisters or "non-chosen" teams makes one of these "miracle" comebacks against a "chosen" team. It never happened that way then, and never does now. If I try and watch these games from anything other than a fantasy perspective, I see nothing more than a flashier, bigger budget version of pro wrestling. It's really a complete joke.

it was not fixed. Bills couldn't score an offensive TD to put this game away, simple as that.

Shouldn't Donovan McNabb or Mike Vick have won a Super Bowl by now?

backrow said:

it was not fixed. Bills couldn't score an offensive TD to put this game away, simple as that.

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Wasn't it 3rd down when Edwards' threw the pick in the redzone?

When I noticed it was a passing play I knew, I just knew, something bad was going to befall the Bills.

All they needed to do was run a running play and kick a FG on 4th down. If the Bills' had God-Man Jason Witten --- then I would understand a passing play in the redzone!


What was even stranger was Romo's terrible read that led to DiGiorgio's interception. Then on that drive, it's like the Bills' were content to punt it back to Dallas.

Before they punted, why run Lynch twice to the left side for practically no gain. I'm questioning the twice to the same side. You do that if you're up by 20 points, but not when you're trying to claw out a win.

I think I'm remembering things fairly accurately.


**Note: I don't root for Lynch or any blacks, but was talking about the Bills' team and coaching.

Dallas won on a 53 yard field goal. if the game was fixed they would have given them the completion on Owens catch to make it a short and sure FG.
Bills couldn't score on offense, even though their defense played real well. they never put the game away, and they could have.
c'mon, just because you don't like the result it doesn't mean the game was fixed. think of how Rams feel after having no less than 4 very bad calls made by refs that definitely affected the outcome.

I'm more upset at the coaching because time-and-time again, that kind of coaching leads to losses.

I'm glad Witten had another 100+ yard game and a TD. He is the soul of the team, and 1 of the few Cowboy's on the team!


Where -- oh where -- have all the master tacticians and chess players gone...

The games aren't fixed.

I thought the momentum changing play was that ridiculous reverse they ran with Roscoe Parrish on 3rd and 1.. What were they thinking? You used your 1 surprise play with the fake punt.. the Cowboys D is too fast to do a play like that on, how stupid.

If it was fixed Vince Young would be leading the league in passing yards, with Minnesota's Tavarious a close second.

cmon ,guys are risking their head each sunday , getting hurt like trent green did. Not fixed.

There is no way the games in the NFL are fixed, as in 100% this team will win. But if you think that gambling interests and possibly even NFL interests aren't "looked after" by players, refs and possibly coaches who have been compromised.... Well then you are kind of pollyanna. Certainly things are done throughout the course of games that are attempting to reach a certain outcome, whether or not that person(s) can achieve that outcome is probably a case by case basis.

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There is no way the games in the NFL are fixed, as in 100% this team will win. But if you think that gambling interests and possibly even NFL interests aren't "looked after" by players, refs and possibly coaches who have been compromised.... Well then you are kind of pollyanna. Certainly things are done throughout the course of games that are attempting to reach a certain outcome, whether or not that person(s) can achieve that outcome is probably a case by case basis.

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Big difference between thinking that a few players and refs may attempt to alter the outcome of the game by poor play or bad calls, and thinking that the entire NFL is involved in a massive conspiracy that scripts the games the same way the WWE scripts wrestling.

White Shogun said:

Shouldn't Donovan McNabb or Mike Vick have won a Super Bowl by now?

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We had a lengthy thread on this subject a couple of years ago. I wrote at the time that Michael Vick would have won a Super Bowl if this was true, as White Shogun just said.

oh yeah, fixed...nailing a 53 yarder to win at the end in front of 70,000 screaming fans and millions more on prime-time television, TWICE!! (the time-out forced him to do it again!) Hats off to Folk (a rookie kicker) and the Cowboys for coming back after giving the ball away 6 times.

It's amazing that so many intelligent posters on this web site, who are insightful enough to have seen through the Caste system and the massive discrimination against white players, react with such certainty that the games couldn't possibly be fixed. Why do you have ANY faith at all in the product that the NFL produces, when we all know that the product is demonstrably not the best one they could produce, as their blatant anti-white discrimination proves. When the owners, G.M.s and coaches all conspire to NOT put their best players on the field, as EVERY team does, and has done, for the past several years, then why would you assume this product is legitimate in any way, shape or form?

A little history; former Brown DB Bernie Parrish, in his acclaimed book "They Call It A Game," matter-of-factly stated that he'd personally participated in many fixed games. Btw, he also stated that, even then (in the early to mid 1960s), NFL teams were drafting black players in the first round, instead of white ones, simply because they believed they would be easier to sign. Also, ex-Colt Bubba Smith publicly stated, I believe in the late 1980s or early 1990s, that he believed Super Bowl III (with the "miracle" Jets upsetting the heavily favored Colts) had been fixed. After his comments, which were mostly ignored, Smith's acting career came to a screeching halt. No more "Police Academy" movies. No more Miller Lite commercials. Anyone who thinks that Super Bowl III was not fixed is really naive, imho. The NFL needed that "upset" to bring credibility to the fledgling AFL, and make the public accept the merger into one league. Shocker that it was a New York team that pulled the "upset," just as they usually do, with the game's most overrated and glamorous player, Joe Namath, guaranteeing a victory. Really, folks, that Colts' team was probably superior to the Jets' team at EVERY position. No way that a team that inferior to another wins without a little "help" from their friends.

Then-Washington Redskin WR Irving Fryar went public in the 1990s with the fact that the 1983 national championship game between Nebraska and Miami had been fixed. He admitted to accepting money to drop several key passes during the game. Not a single "journalist" asked any relevant questions in wake of this startling disclosure. For instance; WHO paid him? For instance; if that game had been fixed, why not others? For instance; who else knew, and who else took money? Predictably, this admission didn't affect Fryar's career one bit. He was never reprimanded at all, and no one questioned the validity of Miami's clearly tainted national "championship."

I remain in the minority here on this issue. I've seen too many shady things happen on the field, without anyone questioning them. The fact that EVERYONE acknowledges that holding, for instance, could be called on EVERY play, ought to make us a bit suspicious of the times it IS called. Pass interference is another game-controlling device; it could be called on virtually every pass play, and the ridiculous term "incidental contact" has been coined to explain away the glaring examples that aren't called. Just food for thought, folks.

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Its not fixed. Dick Jauron and the rest of the Buffalo coaching staff just suck

I think "important" NFL games are fixed. I don't think the players know about it, moreso just the refs (as bigunreal pointed out: pass interference and holding).

Who instructs them to do this, I don't know?

Is it the incredibly racially biased, 95% jewish media? They love to abuse the only power they have over whites; the power of information. Before you dismiss this claim as lunacy or a "Neo-Nazi fantasy," I suggest you sit down and watch the national news (or ESPN news, for that matter).

The national news is a sickening, almost perverted conveyance of the handpicked news stories of the day (nearly all of which are horribly gruesome or sexually motovated in some way). Most news stories deal with; war, famine, racist white-on-black crimes, white male online pedophiles, and "heartwarming" black tales of racial barriers being broken down...how cute.

The only stories that are pro-white on ESPN involve "chosen" white athletes such as; Farve, Manning, Lance Armstrong, Mickelson, Federer, or Roger Clemens. The other types of pro-white stories featured on ESPN involve white athletes dealing with personal tragedies (Joe Jurevicious' son and Armstrongs cancer come to mind).

If the NFL is fixed, I wouldn't be shocked, because everything once held sacred in this league is LONG F*CKING GONE my freinds.

Isolated games in the past have been fixed. With the bogus pass interference rule, fixing/point shaving a game is fairly easy. I don't think games are regularly fixed though as the NFL has investigators looking for these things. Also gangs of criminals tend to go overboard and get greedy and leave evidence by weird betting patterns with illegal and legal bookmakers.

Yes, the kicker definitely made two career long, 53 yard kicks in a row because the game was scripted.

bigunreal, you're just wrong.

If certain games in the NFL were fixed a good portion of the NFL would know about it. A game can't be fixed without a couple refs, players and/or team personnel and gamblers etc. participating in it. This would be very dangerous for the league to be involved in b/c if the code of silence got broken and the public found out; the NFL would lose a great deal of credibility and popularity.

It would be virtual suicide for the league if it was found out that games were fixed. You saw how fast Pete Rose and the NBA ref went down for betting on games. Maybe a few people have been involved with betting and the like, but the whole league isn't involved in a conspiracy to throw games b/c the NFL's days as a popular league would be over if it were found out!

Edited to add: It would also be very hard to pull off throwing games in a sport like football w/o it being noticed by fans that something fishy was going on. Plays are too complicated and the results too unpredictable to fix outcomes. Now boxing: that can be fixed!Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins

ToughJ.Riggins said:

If certain games in the NFL were fixed a good portion of the NFL would know about it. A game can't be fixed without a couple refs, players and/or team personnel and gamblers etc. participating in it. This would be very dangerous for the league to be involved in b/c if the code of silence got broken and the public found out; the NFL would lose a great deal of credibility and popularity.

It would be virtual suicide for the league if it was found out that games were fixed. You saw how fast Pete Rose and the NBA ref went down for betting on games. Maybe a few people have been involved with betting and the like, but the whole league isn't involved in a conspiracy to throw games b/c the NFL's days as a popular league would be over if it were found out!

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Exactly, Great point Riggins. It's just not worth the risk to destroy a multi-billion dollar industry by doing something insane like a league wide and sponsored fixing of games. It would end the NFL as we know it, overnight. So maybe I am hoping that bigunreal is right, part of me would love to see the NFL go under.

I'd always thought the Redskins - Broncos Superbowl Game was fixed to
make sure the Redskins won. Or more correctly, things were manipulated
to help them win and certain players on the Broncos went along. All to
give a black QB the best chance he could hope for to win the game. I
won't even get into some of the b.s. that went on to make sure Williams
was the starter in the post season.

You only need a few key people to foul up and your team will tank. The
Broncos' pass defenders were nowhere to be seen most of the game.
Yeah, call me paranoid, but all I'll answer back is Doug Williams. The
media was hyping him something awful. His "triumph over adversity" was
ridiculous.

I doubt the Monday Night game between Buffalo and Dallas was scripted.
I do think officials are sometimes "directed" to do what they can to aid
certain teams which can affect point spreads if nothing else. There's little
doubt that officials have purposely affected the outcome of many games
over the decades.

Neither was their run defense. Timmy Smith who never had another good game, looked like Barry Sanders in that game. It wouldn't shock me to see a big game was fixed or shaved. The Superbowl that Bettis was in had some fishy pass interference calls against Seattle. I really don't think any fixes are directed by the league though. It would be a gang of thieves with organized crime ties. Many mob groups have runners in Vegas who can drop 10K a pop at various books in Vegas in a few minutes. Betting is a very shady business, especially offshore betting as they are virtually self policed.

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Neither was their run defense. Timmy Smith who never had another good game, looked like Barry Sanders in that game. It wouldn't shock me to see a big game was fixed or shaved. The Superbowl that Bettis was in had some fishy pass interference calls against Seattle. I really don't think any fixes are directed by the league though. It would be a gang of thieves with organized crime ties. Many mob groups have runners in Vegas who can drop 10K a pop at various books in Vegas in a few minutes. Betting is a very shady business, especially offshore betting as they are virtually self policed.

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I wouldn't doubt that there are refs or players and such that have deliberately tried to effect point spreads for betting purposes by screwing around. Or even players that have purposely screwed up as a result of being paid off.

But I got the impression that Bigunreal thinks there is a league wide conspiracy. That would be too difficult to orchestrate without people noticing that something fishy was going on. It is too difficult to script a game as complex as football with onside kick recoveries long field goal tries that succeed etc. Also the league would have too much to lose by illegitimacizing their product if it were found out! Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins