Thomas Jefferson, prophet

From Notes on Virginia:

"Why not retain and incorporate the blacks into the state, and thus save the expence of supplying, by importation of white settlers, the vacancies they will leave? Deep rooted prejudices entertained by the whites; ten thousand recollections, by the blacks, of the injuries they have sustained; new provocations; the real distinctions which nature has made; and many other circumstances, will divide us into parties, and produce convulsions which will probably never end but in the extermination of the one or the other race."

Similar to his wolf by the neck analogy, just on a slighlty different topic.

Sounds like granstanding he had an long running affair with his mulatoo gomat. Anything he says he on race is tainted to me...

White, the Sally Hemings affair is not an established fact. There are plenty of holes in the "facts" of that assertion.

He's a huge heel in schoolbooks nowadays, along with the other super-villain, Columbus.

Bronk said:

White, the Sally Hemings affair is not an established fact. There are plenty of holes in the "facts" of that assertion.

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I thought they were able to prove that Hemmings descendants who became white were their offspring? I know back around 98' Time magazine had an expose on the scandal and got the white descendants to submit to DNA testing and they proved they were related to a Jefferson and Hemmings. One of the descendants even looked like what people in Latin America refer to as "dark white" which means that you have some black ancestry way back but otherwise are white. I know the Jefferson family has never accepted the results as they have stated that these people are related to Jeferson's brother who was a known philanderer. I know that the Monticello estate hasn't granted burial rights to these descendants(an entitlement of all Jefferson extended family members).

All the DNA testing proved was a link to an extended family Jefferson male or males, not to Thomas Jefferson himself. There is no way to link Thomas Jefferson to any of the Hemmings relatives. Also remember Sally Hemmings was the half sister of Jeffersons beloved wife who had passed away. She resembled her greatly and was treated as a virtual member of the family as she was in fact his wife's half sister. She lived in the household. Whether they were together in any way I do not know but I'm sure Jefferson would have defended it as Sally Hemmings being 50% white and not a slave in the typical meaning.

It looks like the 98' finding by the committee of scientists and doctors was disputed in 01'. Here is what Wilkopedia has to say on the matter...The Sally Hemings controversy

For more details on this topic, see Sally Hemings and Jefferson DNA Data.

Regarding marriage between blacks and whites, Jefferson wrote that "[t]he amalgamation of whites with blacks produces a degradation to which no lover of his country, no lover of excellence in the human character, can innocently consent."[59] Whether Jefferson fathered children with Sally Hemings is the subject of considerable controversy since Jefferson is often believed to be the father of at least some of the children of his slave. In addition, Hemings was likely the half-sister of Jefferson's deceased wife Martha Wayles Skelton Jefferson. The allegation that Jefferson fathered children with Hemings first gained widespread public attention in 1802, when journalist James T. Callender, wrote in a Richmond newspaper, "...[Jefferson] keeps and for many years has kept, as his concubine, one of his slaves. Her name is Sally." Jefferson never responded publicly about this issue but is said to have denied it in his private correspondence.[60]

A 1998 DNA study concluded that there was a DNA link between some of Hemings descendants and the Jefferson family, but it did not conclusively prove that Jefferson himself was their ancestor. Three studies were released in the early 2000s, following the publication of the DNA evidence. In 2000, the Thomas Jefferson Foundation, which runs Monticello, appointed a multi-disciplinary, nine-member in-house research committee of Ph.D.s and an M.D. to study the matter of the paternity of Hemings's children. The committee concluded "it is very unlikely that any Jefferson other than Thomas Jefferson was the father of [Hemings's six] children."[61]

In 2001, the Thomas Jefferson Heritage Society[62] commissioned a study by an independent 13-member Scholars Commission. The commission concluded that the Jefferson paternity thesis was not persuasive. On April 12, 2001, they issued a report; at 565 pages, it was far longer than the Foundation report, though many of those pages were devoted to a review of the evidence that the Thomas Jefferson Foundation study examined. The conclusion of most of the Scholars Commission was that "the Jefferson-Hemings allegation is by no means proven"; those members' individual conclusions ranged from "serious skepticism about the charge" to "a conviction that it is almost certainly false." The majority suggested the most likely alternative is that Randolph Jefferson, Thomas's younger brother, was the father of Eston. To be honest I knew the Jefferson family disputed the 98' finding I didn't know that they had a committee of similar scientists to back up their claims....

white is right said:

Regarding marriage between blacks and whites, Jefferson wrote that "[t]he amalgamation of whites with blacks produces a degradation to which no lover of his country, no lover of excellence in the human character, can innocently consent."

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Is there even one politician today having the courage to make a similar statement?