Jason Williams

Uh I think some are missing the point. Yes Dirk would have been the best white player to lead his team to the top since Bird but for me this series for caste purposes was nearly a wash--given that Van Horn was underpar due to injuries etc.
And I noticed the media has avoided him as well but isn't anybody going to rejoice in Jason winning a crown other than me. I deal with all sorts of people and his hip hop whatever doesn't faze me. The guy has white boy tattoed on his hand--and he is as white as they come genetically. Can you get any more white looking?
He made the best pass of the series--a behind the back doozy to Mourning and was a steady presense throughout even if his shot was off a bit at times. He was awesome in the last game against the Pistons. And keep in mind folks I could be mistaken but off the top of my head when was the last starting white pg on a champion team? I do not count John Paxton who was a shooting guard. Man oh man one may have to go back to the Lakers in 1972 with Gail Goodrich? Who was the pg on Rick Barry's winning team? Whatever it has been ages and since shorter white guys are seen as no more little stand behind the line three point shooters and nothing else with Jason we have a guy that can penetrate. Anyway all in all at
least a white guy was in the mix this year. K Poop hit in on the nail. Devin Harris was crap--despite all the swooning over his "quickness." Reminds me of when the Spurs had to pull Tony Parker from the lineup he was so awful --during Ginobli's first ring year. As for Jason funny how he always plays for winning teams. The media hates him and even here at caste I am disappointed in the silence. And unlike so many black players like Iverson who hoist up 60 shots a game--JW I guess realized early on that basketball frowns on white ball hogs--despite the fact he was physically gifted enough to HOG the ball and score lots of points.. So he adapted his game and became a pass first kind of guy.
I see the Kings finally won that championship after getting rid of ole Jason--yeh right. So the media bashing of Dirk hurts but cheer up people a white dude was the starting point guard on a title team. At least some progress.

The guy is a clown. Did you watch the trophy presentation? He screamed f-yall to the Dallas fans with his hat turned sideways and moving around like he's in a rap video. I'm embarrassed that he is White.

He is why I stopped playing in the playgrounds. I don't know why the game evolved into a moron clown show, but he and other players make the game a real turn off for me. I can even put up with Iverson since he has tons of heart and is a lion on the court(off the court he is moron stereotype).Edited by: white is right

sunshine said:

Uh I think some are missing the point. Yes Dirk would have been the best white player to lead his team to the top since Bird but for me this series for caste purposes was nearly a wash--given that Van Horn was underpar due to injuries etc.
And I noticed the media has avoided him as well but isn't anybody going to rejoice in Jason winning a crown other than me.

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No, you are missing the point. This series is a "wash?" I'm sorry Sunshine, but you're delusional. Williams is a bit player on the Heat, Wade's and O'Neal's team. The Mavericks is Dirk's team. So it isn't a "wash." And besides, who was it that said that Williams wasn't even playing enough in this series? Was it... you?You want to "rejoice" in a championship for a guy who didn't play enough, even though a star white player was defeated? Does not compute.

The Heat winning does nothing for us. It only hurts.

JD074 said:

The Heat winning does nothing for us. It only hurts.

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Except for the fact it hurts the NBA's image, which *is* a good thing. At least I think it hurt their image; there were lots of people complaining about the officiating on the ESPN radio show today, and a number said they would no longer watch the NBA.

And that's a good thing.

Couldn't agree more with White Shogun. The fact is people are debating whether or not the fix was in. That is a good thing because it hurts the credibility of the NBA.

As for Jason Williams. Maybe because I expect more from my own kind, but show some class man. But again, it's the NBA and to be expected.

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JD074 said:

The Heat winning does nothing for us. It only hurts.

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Except for the fact it hurts the NBA's image, which *is* a good thing. At least I think it hurt their image; there were lots of people complaining about the officiating on the ESPN radio show today, and a number said they would no longer watch the NBA.

And that's a good thing.

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I am looking at it differently I guess. I think the fact Jason plays point guard adds a few bonus points which is one reason I figured a wash. And Jason a bit player? During the regular season he was the third leading scorer--despite playing injured most of the year. He had an unbelievable 4.9 assist to 1.69 turnover ratio. And in the finals he was fourth in minutes and led the team in assists with 4.7 to go with only 1.33 turnovers during the finals. No other Heat was even close to that ratio. And he was a key component in knocking out what everyone thought was the best team the Pistons. Jason nearly was perfect from the field in the deciding game.. And in the final he dished out a game high 7 assists including a great behind the back pass to Mourning..
Sure he isn't the main focus but a he was in many ways the glue that the media failed to acknowledge. What can I say I am a fan of Jason Williams. And Williams was touted for his speed and quickness when he first came into the league. How many white NBA players get that thrown in their direction? He is a white guy from West Virginia and he listens to country music. But he is black to many here I suppose--don't get it but whatever.

Probably talking to myself at this point but one other point. The mavs beat the spurs with Tony Parker--and the suns with Steve Nash running the point. Parker looked average at best vs. the Mavs and Nash was off his game just enough. So the mavs had to beat teams with top flight point guards. So considering all that Jason held his own and played decent defense against the perimeter oriented Mavs. especially the final game where he had to run around and contain Terry.

The only problem is, Sunshine, most people don't even know who Jason Williams is. I've never once heard anybody even mention his name in a discussion about the Finals or the Miami Heat. He may be something special to you and a few NBA fans, but the general populace doesn't know him. Even in a discussion of this nature he would be dismissed as a role player behind Shaq and Wade. No one will even remember his name next year as having been on the Heat's championship team.

White Shogun I disagree with you Jason Williams is a very popular player. Remember at one point he had the top selling jersey in the leage.

WS not a bad point. But I like to think of any success something we can put in a timecapsule and pull out when needed. One other thing about Jason then I will let it go. The NBA is a black league. And for white players to make a name is real tough. Since whites are not allowed (esp here in the states)to develop skills in general that gives us the likes of Kobie, Iverson, Lebron and Wade--ie: play ball hog---they have to learn to adapt. And adapting also sometimes includes cultural stuff. For me it is better to see a Jason succeed rather than have no white players participate in sports because of blacks or dislike of black culture.. Jason adapted and is making big bucks and raising a family. Sometimes people have to change their ways to succeed and for a lot of white players in the NBA it becomes a matter of survival for some.How many white players would be allowed to play ball hog--hoist up shot after shot and dribble around one on one forever without getting punched in the teeth in their pursuit of USA basketball fame? Given the current state of things it is about adapting on some level. Jason did.

As for WT you are right. When Jason was with the Kings he was hugely popular and the Sacramento fans loved him. Talking out of both sides of my mouth but his popularity has taken a dip in recent years but still has his fans like me.

The reason his popularity has dipped is because he curtailed the And One part of his game.

Hey Sunshine, sorry for being rude. I was so aggravated over the Mavericks loss. They could've went up 3-0 in the series and they totally blew it. Dirk was playing magnificently in the playoffs, but just couldn't get it done in the Finals, where it matters most.

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And Jason a bit player?

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In the Finals, yes. Dwyane Wade and Shaquille O'Neal are the only Heat players that matter. Maybe Mourning for sentimental reasons. And of course the refs.

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During the regular season he was the third leading scorer--despite playing injured most of the year. He had an unbelievable 4.9 assist to 1.69 turnover ratio. And in the finals he was fourth in minutes and led the team in assists with 4.7 to go with only 1.33 turnovers during the finals. No other Heat was even close to that ratio. And he was a key component in knocking out what everyone thought was the best team the Pistons. Jason nearly was perfect from the field in the deciding game.. And in the final he dished out a game high 7 assists including a great behind the back pass to Mourning..

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Nobody cares about that stuff. But they would've cared about Dirk bringing home a ring, and an MVP Finals award. That would've been a BIG deal.

I agree with you Sunshine about Jason Williams. I heard Hubie Brown saying that he's as fast as anyone in the league with the ball in his hand from foul line to fould line. He's short, white, fast as hell, probably the best passer in the league, has insane dribbling skills and he even dunks occasionally. He has a ton of talent but the coaches don't let him play his style of play in Miami, and he accepted that to help his team. If i remember right, last year in the playoffs for Memphis, he played excellent, when everyone else didn't do anything.

Thanks emefinsob-yes he has had to curb his game---unlike blacks who are encouraged to be flashy no matter how god awful their results.. I would like to see more whites play looser and flashier but the NBA discourages that from whites on so many levels.Only recently has Nash brought back the slick white guy .. Jason at one time was one of the most exciting players in the NBA but the media seemed so uncomfortable with him upstaging what they think blacks and blacks only should supply that the complaints kept mounting.
Look at Devin Harris. We were told to marvel at his "magnificent" quickness but to me he seemed clueless, erratic and half ass out there. Did I mention pretty useless too. After the finals all we heard was how Dirk failed as if the other Mavs were infants in need of coddling. If Harris was white the media would have hung him for dribbling around with no purpose. Jason was three times the player Harris was when he first started out but all I heard was the media bitching about his occasional off the mark passes. "He is soooooo out of control" they would say over and over again. Of course Iverson is always in control--nice to be able to hoist up 50 shots without anyone getting on your ass.
Whites have to learn--and it is tough in the NBA where the turf is set by the black players--to let out their raw athletic energy and the hell with the media carping. I remember Toni Kukoc before his NBA career and he had a smooth as butter flashy game and it irritated Jordan and Pippen to no end. Again if a smallish speedy white guy like Jason does something in any sport to me it is good for caste. By the way Jason along with a few teammates is on the cover of the Miami Heat Championship DVD.

yeah i agree with that, it's funny how he's always so out of control, but he's always on top of the league in assist to turnover ratio. I have the ankle breakers DVD, and he has the best segment on there i think. If only they let him play like that in Miami. There was a white guy in the draft from spain that has his same style of play, Sergio Rodgiguez. He got drafted by the Suns but they're saying he's gonna play overseas.