NFL 2013-14 Playoff thread

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Don, don't forget the coaches. They patrolled the sidelines wearing a suit & tie, and presented a true authority figure. I'm not sure when they, too, started to become part of this downward spiral, but these days they all dress like slobs, wearing loose pants, wind-breakers, hoodies and sweatshirts. I'm guessing it started in the '80s for them?
 

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How many players at other positions is a white QB worth? Obviously the 21/1 situation was an extreme example, but I'd much rather watch a white QB with a 5/5 black offensive line than a black QB with an all-saltine O-line.

21-1 is extreme, but it would have to be pretty significant, I love watching Kuechly and Blackburn out there, and I cheer them on to make plays, but I really find it hard to route for them to win, because no matter how well they play, I know where all the credit is going... Hell, its even tougher to route for Greg Olsen!!

Its like watching the falcons in the early 00's; I loved watching Brooking, Kerney, Mark Simoneau, Brady Smith, Matt Stewart, Bob Christian, and Brian Finneran, but I never wanted to see them win, because Vick was always going to be the hero. So even with a fullback that got 2-3 touches/game, a receiver that got 2-3 receptions/game, and two potential hall of fame defenders, best case scenario for me was they play well in a losing effort...

so I don't know, for me to route for a team with a black QB, it would take a white featured running back, a receiver that got at least 3 catches/game, a white tight end, and 3 white defenders, at least one being in the secondary...
 

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I don't really disagree, but I would point out that whites are indeed starting to be shut out in places like O-line and all the defensive positions. Denver is a case in point with a coal defense and only one white on the O-line. I take your point about starters and perhaps I harp on that too much. But I was pleasantly surprised by how many white backups the Colts, Panthers and to a lesser extent the Chargers played. I don't really see that with Denver in terms of starters or backups. Injuries actually show how deep the caste system is. Denver did not have any white backups to plug in when the injuries hit (as they always will). Compare that to the Pats who have many whites to plug in when the injuries occur. I don't think Denver is the same as SF and I even said I would support Denver over either Seattle or SF. But I would not do so very enthusiastically as we would be looking at the blackest SB ever if it is Denver v. SF. There would be 7/44 whites starting and not many white subs either. If CF readers take any joy in that then God bless and I hope your team wins.

I agree, offensive line really has me concerned too. It used to be 3-4 Whites on every o-line, now its 2-3, with a handful of majority black lines. Also, I don't know if anyone has looked yet, but a lot of white o-linemen are free agents this year. I'm worried we may see a purge...

And defense has been a problem for years now... Scott Shanle, Chis Gocong, Kyle VandenBosch, Trevor Scott, Eric Smith, Barrett Ruud, and Cody Grimm, all starting caliber defenders, spent the entire 2013 season on the street.... Makes me sick to my stomach....
 
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The wearing of the jerseys of individual players and general team regalia only goes back 40 years or so. And for a long time it was confined to a narrow demographic, roughly 15 to 25 year old men. Anyone older than that who was still wearing a player's jersey was viewed as a "Peter Pan" wannabe at best.

Now the demographic is both males and females from ages 2 to 82. The U.S. must be the first society in which the masses have been nearly completely infantilized, and it was done in large part by training them to admire and worship blacks while despising people who look like themselves along with their accompanying heritage and values. And of course the producers and directors of this "accomplishment" are intent on spreading it to every country on earth.

Look at photographs and footage of the crowds at sporting events from before the mid-1960s. Men often wore suits and women wore dresses. Can you imagine those Americans viewing the Seahawks' DWFs, or the DWFs of any other NFL team? They would be aghast and incredulous at how far a once-great nation had sunk and rightly so.

Being a young person I really appreciate posts like this that illustrate how the country used to be like before it went to hell.
 
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Don, don't forget the coaches. They patrolled the sidelines wearing a suit & tie, and presented a true authority figure. I'm not sure when they, too, started to become part of this downward spiral, but these days they all dress like slobs, wearing loose pants, wind-breakers, hoodies and sweatshirts. I'm guessing it started in the '80s for them?
yeah it's downright embarrassing the way that coaches dress these days.
 
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Don, don't forget the coaches. They patrolled the sidelines wearing a suit & tie, and presented a true authority figure. I'm not sure when they, too, started to become part of this downward spiral, but these days they all dress like slobs, wearing loose pants, wind-breakers, hoodies and sweatshirts. I'm guessing it started in the '80s for them?

Yes, in the 70's the coaches generally wore a windbreaker and ball cap (before it was suit and tie). The current slob posture started in the 80's as you say.
 

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Yes, in the 70's the coaches generally wore a windbreaker and ball cap (before it was suit and tie). The current slob posture started in the 80's as you say.



Except for Tom Landry, that's him in my avatar, he dressed with a lot of class, always! Always in a coat and tie.
 
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The wearing of the jerseys of individual players and general team regalia only goes back 40 years or so. And for a long time it was confined to a narrow demographic, roughly 15 to 25 year old men. Anyone older than that who was still wearing a player's jersey was viewed as a "Peter Pan" wannabe at best.

Now the demographic is both males and females from ages 2 to 82. The U.S. must be the first society in which the masses have been nearly completely infantilized, and it was done in large part by training them to admire and worship blacks while despising people who look like themselves along with their accompanying heritage and values. And of course the producers and directors of this "accomplishment" are intent on spreading it to every country on earth.

Look at photographs and footage of the crowds at sporting events from before the mid-1960s. Men often wore suits and women wore dresses. Can you imagine those Americans viewing the Seahawks' DWFs, or the DWFs of any other NFL team? They would be aghast and incredulous at how far a once-great nation had sunk and rightly so.

I first attended an SEC game (University of Tennessee) in 1964 and saw the transition first hand. You would see men in suit and tie and women in their best dress.

The fashion of "dressing down" began around 1970-71. Male fans started dressing in outlandish costumes at Tennessee games around 1972 and the fashion of everybody wearing orange increased year by year from that time.

The first Tennessee player whose jersey was for sale was black QB Condredge Holloway in 1974. I noticed it as something I had never seen before.
 

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Coaches in the NHL and NBA still wear suits. There might be exceptions by now as I rarely watch the NBA, but I haven't read of any.

The most ridiculously attired coaches are baseball managers, pot-bellied middle-aged and older men sporting the uniform of their team. Connie Mack, who managed the Philadelphia Athletics for 50 years, always wore a suit and tie but every other manager in MLB history has always worn his team's uniform. If managers wore suits they'd be less likely to run out on the field and argue with umpires, a silly ritual that never results in a call being reversed. The coach/manager isn't allowed to run onto the field of play and scream at officials for five minutes in any other sport, so why is it allowed in baseball? So many traditions and fundamentals have been cast(e) aside in baseball, but this clown act is somehow sacrosanct.
 

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Coaches in the NHL and NBA still wear suits. There might be exceptions by now as I rarely watch the NBA, but I haven't read of any.

The most ridiculously attired coaches are baseball managers, pot-bellied middle-aged and older men sporting the uniform of their team. Connie Mack, who managed the Philadelphia Athletics for 50 years, always wore a suit and tie but every other manager in MLB history has always worn his team's uniform. If managers wore suits they'd be less likely to run out on the field and argue with umpires, a silly ritual that never results in a call being reversed. The coach/manager isn't allowed to run onto the field of play and scream at officials for five minutes in any other sport, so why is it allowed in baseball? So many traditions and fundamentals have been cast(e) aside in baseball, but this clown act is somehow sacrosanct.
I recall maybe John McGraw for the Giants wearing a suit too, but that is about it. But Connie was the owner so he had a duel role. As for the NBA I did notice that the league let Stan Van Gundy wear a casual shirt with a jacket and no tie. That's about as loose as the league has gotten on players and suits.
 
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Yes, Landry was the exception.
When the league mandated team wear Ditka sported a team sweater and slacks with a team tie. Yet when he went to Nawlins he dressed down like every other coach these days. While I'm not against wearing team clothes, To me if a coach wants to wear a suit he should be allowed to.
 

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When the league mandated team wear Ditka sported a team sweater and slacks with a team tie. Yet when he went to Nawlins he dressed down like every other coach these days. While I'm not against wearing team clothes, To me if a coach wants to wear a suit he should be allowed to.

Agreed, although I'm not sure what the league rules are at the moment. After this topic, I remembered that former SF coach Mike Nolan was allowed to wear a suit on the sidelines for some time. I looked into it some more, and the league has a policy that all sideline apparel be provided by whichever company they have a contract with. Nike owns the rights since 2012. However, Nolan (and "Black" Jack Del Rio) asked and received permission to wear suits in 2008. Not sure if coaches can still do that or ask Goodell again.

This writer agrees with us:

http://proplayerinsiders.com/nfl-coaches-should-class-it-up/
 

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Agreed, although I'm not sure what the league rules are at the moment. After this topic, I remembered that former SF coach Mike Nolan was allowed to wear a suit on the sidelines for some time. I looked into it some more, and the league has a policy that all sideline apparel be provided by whichever company they have a contract with. Nike owns the rights since 2012. However, Nolan (and "Black" Jack Del Rio) asked and received permission to wear suits in 2008. Not sure if coaches can still do that or ask Goodell again.

This writer agrees with us:

http://proplayerinsiders.com/nfl-coaches-should-class-it-up/

we've talked about the subject of coaches' attire before, and if i recall correctly Belichick actually requested to be allowed to wear a suit and tie on the sidelines. but the League refused, citing foobar's reasoning above regarding League-contracted apparel companies. it was after that when he began wearing the awful cut-off team sweatshirt/hoodie that met League dress code but looked ridiculous. from my perspective, it seems he was trying to stick a thumb in the eye of the moronic policy.
 

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we've talked about the subject of coaches' attire before, and if i recall correctly Belichick actually requested to be allowed to wear a suit and tie on the sidelines. but the League refused, citing foobar's reasoning above regarding League-contracted apparel companies. it was after that when he began wearing the awful cut-off team sweatshirt/hoodie that met League dress code but looked ridiculous. from my perspective, it seems he was trying to stick a thumb in the eye of the moronic policy.

As much as I like Bill Belichick he is one of the worst dressed coaches in the league, always looking like he just grabbed something handy and threw it on. But perhaps you are right and he is just trying to stick it to the league as I feel that is his motivation on many of the things that he does.

As bad as the coaches dress the one thing that I dislike the most is an obese fat coach. How can a guy who is supposed to instill discipline and dedication let himself go like that? I think it sends the wrong message but I guess in a league of fat sumo's and chubby RB it really doesn't make any difference.
 

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If all of this is true and the coaches have to wear Nike NFL apparel, how hard would it be for Nike to make a suit with a little swoosh on the breast and pants with little swooshes on the pockets?
 

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Kinda funny this discussion, considering Jim Harbaughs wife was doing a interview and laughing at Harbaughs choice of $8 pants from Wal Mart.

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Kinda funny this discussion, considering Jim Harbaughs wife was doing a interview and laughing at Harbaughs choice of $8 pants from Wal Mart.

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He actually looks like the few White men I see in urban Walmarts. In the sticks where I live guys like this are abundant. He must still roll pennies and is probably tight with tipping too..:biggrin:
 

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Kinda funny this discussion, considering Jim Harbaughs wife was doing a interview and laughing at Harbaughs choice of $8 pants from Wal Mart.

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This stylistic idiot probably buys the old man jeans with the elastic sewn in the waist band. How did a man I admired back in 2009 at Stanford devolve into this? And bona-vide pyscho on Sundays.
 

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Reebok actually made Mike Nolan a suit when he was coaching the 49ers.
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I guarantee you that Nike would make Belichick a suit if he asked for one.
 

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Regarding Messrs. McGillicuddy and McGraw and dressing up for the dugout, I seem to recall Burt Shotton (Bkn. Dodgers mgr.) wearing a suit in the dugout too.

In the Barclays Premier League in English soccer, quite a few coaches dress up for games. Arsene Wenger (Arsenal), Chris Hughton (Norwich City), and Sam Allerdyce (West Ham United) come to mind. So does Sir Alex Ferguson, who retired last spring after a long, legendary career at Manchester United.

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Here's a run by Hoge against Denver and one against Houston in the '89 playoffs.

Wait a second, how did that slow running-back make all of those athletic defenders miss like that? Oh, it must be because he is a "smart runner."

(I know that was late).
 

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Wait a second, how did that slow running-back make all of those athletic defenders miss like that? Oh, it must be because he is a "smart runner."

(I know that was late).

Hoge was terrific in those two playoff games in 1989, better than he ever was during the regular season, though he did make a lot of nice runs then also. The Steelers, after missing the playoffs the four previous seasons, started off '89 0-2, getting slaughtered at home by the archrival Browns 51-0 and losing the following week to archrival Cincinnati 42-10. But then they upset the Vikings in Week 3, and ended the season 9-7. To make the playoffs as one of the AFC's two wildcard teams they needed a bunch of last week scenarios to happen, and all of them did.

The first week they beat the favored Houston Oilers in Houston, on a last second field goal by Gary Anderson of around 50 yards. Anderson's father was on his deathbed and it was a poignant win. Hoge ran for over 100 yards.

The next week they traveled to Denver to play the heavily favored Broncos. Hoge had over 100 yards rushing just in the first half. Newspaper accounts quoted various Bronco defenders referring to Hoge as "The Tank" and "Jim Brown" while he was running over and around them. He was used less in the second half and the Steelers blew a late lead, ironically enough when Mark Stock, who was a Jeremy Ebert/Jerheme Urban type of White receiver in that he was constantly being cut and was always on the farthest fringes of the roster, dropped a key pass. Stock had unbelievably good hands, but a third down pass to him from Bubby Brister late in the fourth quarter bounced off him and Denver ended up winning the game, and then beating Cleveland the next week and going to the Super Bowl.

The 1989 Steelers were my favorite team after the dynasty teams of the '70s. They looked like one of the worst teams in league history to start the season but came on behind Brister and Hoge on offense and ended up making the playoffs and looked headed to being a top team again. After the season Chuck Noll made the fatal mistake of hiring Joe Walton to run the offense. Walton installed a complicated system that no one could understand, including Brister, and the Steelers started off 1990 by not scoring an offensive touchdown in the first four games. The team sank back into mediocrity again, missing the playoffs in '90 and '91, and Noll retired (before he could be pushed out the door) after '91 and the young wiggerish Bill Cowher replaced him.

Hoge was pretty much an average to somewhat above average running back as he could run and catch, who split carries with Tim Worley and before Worley Frank Pollard. The league has always been filled with average and mediocre running backs, but Hoge was the last of the average White running backs. Now even the rare White RBs who are "allowed" to run in college and who are fantastic are not wanted by the NFL -- Luke Staley, Brock Forsey, Toby Gerhart (strictly a backup), and others from both large and small programs. Once Cowher took over in '92, Hoge was immediately changed to a pure blocking fullback who almost never touched the ball. And of course Hoge is now a reliable Caste clown ala former "overachieving" WRs Crissie Collinsworth, Steve Tasker and Tom Waddle.
 
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Coaches in the NHL and NBA still wear suits. There might be exceptions by now as I rarely watch the NBA, but I haven't read of any.

The most ridiculously attired coaches are baseball managers, pot-bellied middle-aged and older men sporting the uniform of their team. Connie Mack, who managed the Philadelphia Athletics for 50 years, always wore a suit and tie but every other manager in MLB history has always worn his team's uniform. If managers wore suits they'd be less likely to run out on the field and argue with umpires, a silly ritual that never results in a call being reversed. The coach/manager isn't allowed to run onto the field of play and scream at officials for five minutes in any other sport, so why is it allowed in baseball? So many traditions and fundamentals have been cast(e) aside in baseball, but this clown act is somehow sacrosanct.

The "slobification" along with the "pussification" of our once great society are related to the general moral degradation in all aspects of life. As for baseball managers wearing uniforms I think that is mostly tradition as there have been many player-managers in the history of the game. Originally it was a way for owners to save money on one salary but some player-managers certainly contributed back in the day. Tris Speaker won a World Series as a player-manager, Pie Traynor was an all-star. Rogers Hornsby was player-manager for 5 teams in his career. The last player manager was Pete Rose in the mid-80's. But it wasn't rare before the days of super mega contracts. Don Kessinger, Joe Torre, Frank Robinson, were all player-managers.

Also in baseball the managers and coaches do stuff on the field before games. Even the real old guys will hit fungoes and shag flies, and pitching coaches throw with pitchers. As absurd as it is to think of chain-smoking pot bellied Jim Leyland wearing a uniform the actual thing is that managers/coaches don't wear uni's anymore that I can tell. They all wear warm-up jerseys, not game jerseys, those loose fitting, multi colored shirts look even worse then a uniform jersey but along with pitchers between starts, and guys on IR, baseball seems to have segregated the actual game uniform to guys who will actually play.

I can't think of an example of a player-manager in another major sport. I do remember reading once that in the 1950's the Detroit Red Wings had both their goalies injured in a game and so the trainer put on the pads to finish it out!! Hockey in the 50's, much more casual then it is today.

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The "slobification" along with the "pussification" of our once great society are related to the general moral degradation in all aspects of life. As for baseball managers wearing uniforms I think that is mostly tradition as there have been many player-managers in the history of the game. Originally it was a way for owners to save money on one salary but some player-managers certainly contributed back in the day. Tris Speaker won a World Series as a player-manager, Pie Traynor was an all-star. Rogers Hornsby was player-manager for 5 teams in his career. The last player manager was Pete Rose in the mid-80's. But it wasn't rare before the days of super mega contracts. Don Kessinger, Joe Torre, Frank Robinson, were all player-managers.

Also in baseball the managers and coaches do stuff on the field before games. Even the real old guys will hit fungoes and shag flies, and pitching coaches throw with pitchers. As absurd as it is to think of chain-smoking pot bellied Jim Leyland wearing a uniform the actual thing is that managers/coaches don't wear uni's anymore that I can tell. They all wear warm-up jerseys, not game jerseys, those loose fitting, multi colored shirts look even worse then a uniform jersey but along with pitchers between starts, and guys on IR, baseball seems to have segregated the actual game uniform to guys who will actually play.

I can't think of an example of a player-manager in another major sport. I do remember reading once that in the 1950's the Detroit Red Wings had both their goalies injured in a game and so the trainer put on the pads to finish it out!! Hockey in the 50's, much more casual then it is today.

Leyland and his coach
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You forgot about Pete Rose. He only broke the hit record because he extended his dead in the water career by inserting himself in the lineup as a platoon player with Cincy after Montreal cut after he became the second player to hit for 4000 hits.
 
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