Italian Serie A 2013-14

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Serie A starts this week with Verona-Milan (Saturday, August 24, 6 PM CET) and might be an interesting competition for those (like me) who like a more tactical sort of football.
Undoubtedly Serie A declined from its hayday in the 90s, but this year they managed to stage a bit of a comeback. Serie A is still the third league in Europe by the value of players (after after EPL and the Spanish Liga, just slightly ahead of the Bundesliga).
As a reminder, last year Juventus won the scudetto well in advance, with Napoli in CL and Milan in the CL qualifier. Lazio won the Cup (and an EL slot), while Udinese is qualifying for EL. Siena (which started with -6 points), Pescara (which sold the best players) and Palermo (which fought until the end but was too weak) were relegated. Sassuolo, Verona and Livorno were promoted from Serie B. See last year's thread here.
However, while last year they were loosing players left and right (Ibrahimovic, Lavezzi, Thiago Silva, Verrati), this year they also managed to attract several important players (Higuain, Tevez, Gomez...). Several teams are either starting to build new stadiums (Udinese) or already have them (Juventus) or are in the planning phases. The league is full of foreigners (52%), but mostly White Argentinians, Brazilians and Eastern Europeans. This has somewhat crowded out homegrown talent, with the best Italian players often in their mid-30s (Pirlo, Totti, DiNatale). Racially this is still an overwhelmingly white league (almost 90%). The number of Blacks actually declined by about 13% from 68 to 60, same with Asians (from 2 to 1), while the number of Arabs increased slightly (from 8 to 10) and same with Mesitzos/Amerindians (from 9 to 10). There are no Jewish players this year (1 last year). France continues to be the main gateway for the Black players who are entering Italy, with about half of all Blacks having a French passport. However, this year there is also a 100% White team (at least at the time of this writing, the transfers are still going on) which is Hellas Verona. :thumbsup:

The total number of players also went down from 600 last year to 566 (-34).
Regarding this year's outlook, Juventus is the super favourite to win the scudetto (title) - and this would formally be their 30-th title, so they would earn the right to have 3 stars on their jerseys. The closest competitor is Napoli which looks stronger than last year, while Milan, Inter, Fiorentina and Roma have some slight chances to participate in the fight for the top position(s).
I would divide the teams in 4 big groups:
1. Scudetto/CL contenders: Juventus, Napoli, Inter, Milan, with Juve by far the favorite.
2. Upper middles (EL or thereabouts): Lazio, Fiorentina and Roma with one or two of these possibly challenging group 1
3. Middles (slight chance for top positions, but also little danger of relegation): Parma, Udinese, Genoa, Atalanta, Sampdoria, Cagliari, Catania, with the last possibly dropping to group 4
4. Danger Zone (will have to fight not to be relegated): Hellas Verona, Atalanta, Sassuolo, Bologna, Torino, Livorno, Chievo

Some high level data:

Total Players - 566 (-34 vs last year)
Foreign Players - 299 (52.8%) unchanged
Racial Breakdown:
Blacks 60 (10.7%) -8 vs last year
Arabs 10 (1.7%) +2
Mesitzo/Amerindian 10 (1.7%) +1
Asian 2 (0.7%) unchanged
Turks 1 (0.3%) -1
Jews 0 (0%) -1
Whites 485 (85.2%) -25

% Whites by team:
Hellas Verona 100%
Atalanta 96%
Sassuolo 96%
Bologna 93%
Livorno 92%
Torino 92%
Sampdoria 92%
Cagliari 92%
Napoli 90%
Chievo 90%
Catania 90%
Fiorentina 88%
Roma 86%
Genoa 82%
Udinese 81%
Parma 80%
Juventus 80%
Lazio 76%
Inter 67%
Milan 56%

Foreign Players By Country:
Argentina 46 (15.4%)
Brasil 42 (14%)
Uruguay 21 (7%)
Serbia 13 (4.3%)
Spain 12 (4%)
Croatia 11 (3.7%)
France 10 (3.3%)
Colombia 10 (3.3%)
Switzerland 9 (3%)
Grece 8 (2.7%)
Ghana 8 (2.7%)
Romania 8 (2.7%)
Chile 8 (2.7%)
Portugal 6 (2%)
Germany 6 (2%)
Slovenia 6 (2%)
Sweden 6 (2%)
Poland 6 (2%)
Senegal 5 (1.7%)
Belgium 4 (1.3%)
Slovakia 4 (1.3%)
Netherlands 3 (1%)
Albania 3 (1%)
Algeria 3 (1%)
Ivory Coast 3 (1%)
Montenegro 3 (1%)
Morocco 3 (1%)
Hungary 3 (1%)
Tunisia 2 (0.7%)
Australia 2 (0.7%)
Denmark 2 (0.7%)
Nigeria 2 (0.7%)
Mali 2 (0.7%)
Bosnia 2 (0.7%)
Austria 2 (0.7%)
Sierra Leone 1 (0.3%)
Macedonia 1 (0.3%)
Island 1 (0.3%)
Kenia 1 (0.3%)
Guinea 1 (0.3%)
Peru 1 (0.3%)
Finland 1 (0.3%)
Paraguay 1 (0.3%)
Bulgaria 1 (0.3%)
Lithuania 1 (0.3%)
Czech Republic 1 (0.3%)
Japan 1 (0.3%)
USA 1 (0.3%)
Ukraine 1 (0.3%)
Egypt 1 (0.3%)



Here is a list of teams with data ant the locations on the map:

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Here is a breakdown and small analysis of the teams ordered by market value.

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Juventus - value: 357M euros, 10 foreigners 35.7%, White - 80%, Black 10%, Mesitzo/Amerindian 10%
Absolute favourite for the third title in the row. This year probably stronger than last with Tevez and Llorente. Relatively White for an European heavyweight (look at Inter or Milan).
Black - 3
Angelo Ogbonna (italy/Nigeria)
Paul Pogba (France/Guinea)
Kwadwo Assamoah (Ghana)
Mesitzo/Amerindian - 3
Arturo Vidal (Chile)
Carlos Tevez (Argentina)
Mauricio Isla (Chile)
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Napoli - value: 239M Euros, 19 Foreigners 63.3%, White: 90%, Black 6.7%, Turk 3.3%
Probably the strongest contender to Juve, they sold their top scorer Cavani to PSG, but brought Higuain from Real Madrid. Their young and talented Insigne could "explode" this year. Goalkeeper De Sanctis left for Rome, and they brought the Spaniard Pepe Reina who should be a good replacement. The Whitest of the "big" teams.

Black - 2
Camilo Zuniga (colombia)
Pablo Armero (Colombia)
Turk - 1
Gokhan Inler (Switzerland/Turkey)
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Inter Milan - value: 226M Euros, 28 foreigners 84.8%, White 67%, Black 24%, Arab 3%, Mesitzo 3%, Asian 3%
Probably not a contender for the title but possible contender for a spot in the Champions League. They were reinforced by the arrival of the forceful coach Mazzarri (ex-Napoli) and the purchase of the Argentinian talent Icardi from Sampdoria, Campagnaro and Laxalt. Cassano left for Parma. There are persistent rumors that the club could be sold to the Indonesian tycoon Erick Thohir (yet another piece of Europe sold to Asians).

Blacks - 8
Rolando (Portugal/Kap Verde)
Juan Jesus (Brazil)
Wallace (Brazil)
Gaby Mudingayi (Belgium/Brazil)
McDonald Maringa (Kenia)
Fredy Guarin (Colombia)
Joel Obi (Nigeria)
Niang M'Baye (France/Senegal)
Arab - 1
Ishak Belfodil (Italy/Algeria)

Mesitzo/Amerindian - 1
Jonathan (Brazil)
Asian:
Yuto Nagatomo (Japan)

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AC Milan - value 217 M Euros, 13 foreigners 44.8%, White - 56%, Black - 41%, Arab - 3%
Racially the most troubled team in Serie A. No significant reinforcements except the young talent Riccardo Saponara who came back from second division Empoli. Could compete for a spot in the Champions league, but it could also prove to be a big flop.

Blacks - 12
Cristian Zapata (Colombia)
Jherson Vergara (Colombia)
Kevin Konstant (France/Guinea)
Nigel DeJong (Netherlands/Suriname)
Sulley Muntari (Ghana)
Bakaye Traore (France/Mali)
Kevin Prince Boateng (Germany/Ghana)
Urby Emanuelson (Netherlands/Suriname)
Robinho (Spain/Brazil)
Mario Balotelli (Italy/Ghana)
M'Baye Babacar Niang (France/Senegal)

Arab - 1
Stephan El Shaarawy (Italy/Egypt)
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AS Roma - value - 171M Euros, 18 Foreigners (63.3%), White 86%, Black - 11%, Arab - 3%
Roma might be slightly weaker this year. The defender Marquinhos, Argentinian striker Osvaldo and even possibly the Argentinian talent Lamela might leave, while the only proven reinforcement will be the Dutch middlefielder Kevin Strootman. Their main player will once again be the veteran Francesco Totti, De Rossi and the Bosnian Pjanic. Probably in the upper half of the table but not even close to a place in CL.
Blacks - 3
Maicon (Brazil)
Gervinho (Ivory Coast)
Tallo (Ivory Coast)

Arab - 1
Mehdi Benatia (France/Morocco)
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Fiorentina - value 170M Euros, 25 Foreigners (80.6%), White - 88%, Black - 3%, Mesitzo/Amerindian - 3%, Arab - 6%
Fiorentina this year is stronger than last year with the arrival of Mario Gomez from Bayern Munich, oldie-but-goodie Ambrosini from Milan and Giuseppe Rossi (after a long pause due to injury) from Villareal. Should join the group of clubs behind Juve, possible "dark horse".
Black - 1
Juan Cuadrado (Colombia)

Mesitzo/Amerindian - 1
David Pizarro (Chile)
Arab - 2
Ahmed Hegazy (Egypt)
Mounir El Hadouni (Netherlands/Morocco)

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Lazio - value 154 M Euros, 27 Foreigners (77.1%), White - 76%, Black - 18%, Mesitzo/Amerindian - 6%
This traditionally right-wing club is going down the drain fast. Their captain Mauri is on the verge of being suspended for (yet another) betting scandal, while racially they are definitely not in good shape. Possibly Europa League material.
Black - 6
Mickael Ciani (France/Guadaloupe)
Abdoulay Konko (France/Marokko)
Luis Pedro Cavanda (Belgium/Angola)
Ogenyi Onazi (Nigeria)
Balde Diao Keita (Spain/Senegal)
Brayan Perea (Colombia)

Mesitzo/Amerindian - 2
Freitas Vinícius (Colombia)
Hernanes (Brasil)
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Udinese - value 92 M Euros, 20 Foreigners (74.1%), Whites - 81%, Blacks - 19%
Udinese is probably a mid table to Europa League team, depending on how much the veteran Antonio Di Natale can score. Instead of betting on African and South American players, this year they have a number of Eastern Europeans. Their owner Pozzi also owns Watford which was just promoted to EPL. They are building a new stadium.
Blacks - 5
Naldo (Brasil)
Allan (Portugal/Brasil)
Maicosuel (Brasil)
Luis Muriel (Colombia)
Mathias Ranégie (Sweden)
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Cagliari - value 72 M Euros, 11 Foreigners (44%), Whites - 92%, Blacks 4%, Asians - 4%
This team from the fiercely clannish island of Sardinia did well last year even though they had to play all their home games 700 km away in Trieste because their stadium is crumbling. However there are rumours that some of the best players may leave (especially Astori), so their performance this year remains to be seen.
Blacks - 1
Victor Ibarbo

Asians - 1
Radja Nainggolan (Belgium, Indonesia)

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Parma - value 69 M Euros, 16 Foreigners (45.7%), Whites - 80%, Blacks - 11%, Arabs - 6%, Mesitzo/Amerindian - 3%
This is a traditionally a middle of the table team and and will probably stay the same this season. Their main reinforcement is the arrival of Antonio Cassano from Inter.
Blacks - 4
Raman Chibsah (Italy/Ghana)
Afriyie Acquah (Ghana)
Jonathan Biabiany (France/Guadaloupe)
Stefano Okaka (Italy/Nigeria)
Arabs - 2
Yohan Benalouane (France/Tunisia)
Djamel Mesbah (France/Algeria)

Mesitzo/Amerindian - 1
Jaime Valdés (Chile)

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Sampdoria - value 68 M euros, 14 Foreigners (46.7%), Whites - 92%, Blacks - 8%
Some of the best players from Sampdoria (in particular Poli and Icardi) left, so the team could be somewhat weaker this season. Probably destined for the lower half of the table.
Blacks - 2
Simon Poulsen (Denmark)
Pedro Obiang (Spain/Equatorial Guinea)


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Genoa - value 66 M Euros, 11 Foreigners (47.8%), Whites 82%, Blacks 18%
Genoa, Sampdoria's traditional city rival might be somewhat stronger this year with the arrival of the very good middlefielder Lodi from Catania, the Croatian defender Sime Vrsaljko from Dinamo Zagreb and the return of the striker Alberto Gilardino. Lower part of the table, but probably not struggling for relegation.
Blacks - 4
Sebastien De Maio (France)
Rodney Strasser (Sierra Leone)
Isaac Cofie (Ghana)
Moussa Konaté (Senegal)

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Atalanta - value 64 M Euros, 8 Foreigners (25%), Whites 96%, Blacks - 3%, Mesitzo/Amerindian - 3%
Atalanta could be an interessting team this year, possibly a surprise. They mostly kept their best players (the Argentinian Denis, Cigarini and Bonaventura), the young Croatian striker Livaja is a promissing player and they brought the strong Colombian defender Mario Yepes from Milan.
Blacks - 1
Moussa Koné (Ivory Coast)

Mesitzo/Amerindian - 1
Carlos Carmona (Spain/Chile)

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Catania - value 63 M Euros, 19 Foreigners (73.1%), Whites - 90%, Blacks - 7%, Mesitzo/Amerindian - 3%
Catania was a pleasant surprise last year and this year they could repeat the performance. The Argentinian striker Maxi Lopez is back, but they lost a very good middlefielder (Lodi) to Genoa. Probably destined for the middle of the table.

Blacks - 2
Alexis Rolin (Uruguay)
Souleymane Doukara (France/Senegal)

Mesitzo/Amerindian - 1
Fabián Monzón (Argentina)


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Bologna - value 49 M Euros, 16 Foreigners (53.3%), Whites 93%, Arabs - 6%
Bologna is somewhat weaker than last year. They kept their star player and captain Diamanti but the main striker Gilardino returned to Genoa. I see them in the lower part of the table.

Arabs - 2
Saphir Taider (France/Algeria)
Abdallah Yaisien (France/Egypt)


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Torino - value 48 M Euros, 8 Foreigners (34.8%), Whites - 92%, Blacks - 4%, Arabs - 4%
Torino will probably be one of the teams that will have to struggle to stay in serie A although they may be slightly stronger than last year. They replaced the black defender Ogbonna (who occasionally plays for Italy and went to Juventus) with the veteran Moretti (ex Juventus, Fiorentina, Valencia), brought the talented Ciro Immobile from Genoa and kept the winger Alessio Cerci.
Blacks - 1
Lys Gomis (Italy/Senegal)

Arabs - 1
Omar El Kaddouri (Belgium/Morocco)

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Sassuolo - value 39 M Euros, 7 Foreigners (29.2%), Whites - 96%, Blacks - 4%
Sassuolo is a first time Serie A participant from a small city city of 40000 best known for their ceramic tile industry. No major stars although the striker Simone Zazza is a rising star. Probably destined to fight for survival in Serie A.

Blacks - 1
Alberto Aladje (Portugal / Guinea Bissau)

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Hellas Verona - value 38 M Euros, 11 Foreigners (44%), Whites 100% :first:
Hellas is a famous team which went through hell in the last decade. After dropping to Serie B in 2002, they even dropped to Serie C (Lega Pro) for 3 years and risked dropping even further. Last year they managed a drammatic comeback to serie A after 11 years. Hellas supporters are well known for their right wing and anti-multikulti worldview. Their best known players will be Daniele Cacia, the top scorer in Serie B last year and the vetaran Luca Toni. They will probably have to fight to consolidate their stay in Serie A. They are the only 100% White team in Serie A. Go Hellas!

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Chievo Verona - value 37 M Euros, 13 Foreigners (43.3%), Whites - 90%, Blacks - 10%
Chievo is the "politically correct" city rival to right-wing Hellas Verona and is a somewhat artificial club with very few supporters. This year they will probably be one of the teams who will struggle for relegation. Their strong points are the French White striker Cyril Thereau, the Italians Sergio Pellissier and Luca Paloschi as well as the middlefielder Luca Rigoni.
Blacks - 3
Boukary Dramé (France/Senegal)
Maxwell Acosty (Italy/Senegal)
Mamadou Samassa (France/Mali)

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Livorno - value 30 M Euros, 5 Foreigners (22.7%), Whites 92%, Blacks 8%
Livorno is a team whose supporters are known to be extreme left wing, often sporting giant banners with the picture of Che Guevara during the games. They were promoted from Serie B but are the least valuable team in the league and as such they will struggle to remain in Serie A.

Blacks: 2
Alfred Duncan (Italy/Ghana)
Mbaye Ibrahima (Senegal)


Lat the games begin! :clap2:
 
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i think that the number of black players for AC milan is even under estimated
unless i have missed something during my vacations, mbaye niang is still with AC milan and not internazionale
good job otherwise and i'm going to watch serie A afterall, the key factor was napoli getting nice players like higuain or mertens
i hope that they can beat juventus
and pepe reina in my opinion is not really a good goalkeeper :eek:hwell: i saw it many times with liverpool
 

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Porthos, thanks for the great preview. Really comes in handy for a guy like me who likes soccer / football but really does not follow Serie A at all. You've now provided all the relevant information I need and gives me more reason to keep up with the league. Go Hellas and Napoli!
 

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Porthos, I swear man, when you write down these threads with all these details and accurate facts and stats, I always say to myself : "Damn this guy is good or what? He should get paid for these articles". I mean I have done racial breakdowns before regarding the Olympic Medals our white guys won but I think my work was easy compared to yours.

Are you going to make one for England, Spain and Germany too? Any chance to see one for Greece too?

Where are you from by the way? Your location says California, but I mean are you originally from the US? If that's the case, could you please enlighten me how many of the total 280 members of the American Football Hall Of Fame are white players? I would really appreciate that man!
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/years.aspx
 

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Porthos, I swear man, when you write down these threads with all these details and accurate facts and stats, I always say to myself : "Damn this guy is good or what? He should get paid for these articles". I mean I have done racial breakdowns before regarding the Olympic Medals our white guys won but I think my work was easy compared to yours.

Are you going to make one for England, Spain and Germany too? Any chance to see one for Greece too?

Where are you from by the way? Your location says California, but I mean are you originally from the US? If that's the case, could you please enlighten me how many of the total 280 members of the American Football Hall Of Fame are white players? I would really appreciate that man!
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/years.aspx

there are already all the racial breakdowns in t he premier league thread
germany and spain will be in the "other european leagues" thread unless somebody is interested in it enough to create its own thread
and greece...who would be better to talk about that league than you? :icon_mrgreen:
you could post about the most important matches or the most relevant ones in the "other european leagues" thread too
 

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Frederic, I included Nyang (I don't know how I managed to miss that prick) - good catch. However, the transfer window is still open and the detailed numbers could still change... although the big picture should remain more-or-less the same.

Zeus,

I took most of the numbers from the site transfermarkt.co.uk . On the left side, click on "Europe" and you have all the leagues, then click on the league and you have all the teams, and by clicking on the team you get the players. They provide a breakup by country, foreigners/domestic players and a lot of good data. They don't provide the racial breakup - obviously - because that would be politically incorrect. To get the racial breakup, you drill down to the team, and there you can see the nationality, the names and the picture (for most of them) which should give you a pretty good idea. It took me really only about one afternoon to do the report, and I had good fun, as I was always interested in racial differences, politics and propaganda in sports. The two charts are from Wikipedia. If you or someone else want to do something similar for other leagues, these are the places to go.
Serie A is the second European league measured by the number of foreigners (52.6%) after the English Premier League (67.2), but (from the "big 5" leagues) before the Spanish Liga (39.7), The German Bundesliga (45.7) and the French Ligue 1 (43.1). However, most of the foreigners in Serie A are Whites, especially white Argentinians, and also Brazilians - many with Italian heritage (the so called "oriundi") - and Eastern Europeans. The Greek "Super League" is only 35.2% Foreign (to get the racial breakup, you will have to drill down into the teams), and I would guess it is also overwhelmingly White and Greek :thumb:, even much more so than Serie A. I don't follow american football as I am European and have a passion for European Football since I was a Kid. I tried, but too many "coloreds" there and in basketball... I can't relate... although "soccer" is going that way too and I might abandon it too one day... I barely watch the English Premier League anymore as it is racially in extremely bad shape, and I would not touch the French (Afro-Arab) League with a 10 feet pole... Even in Italy, for example - watching any AC Milan game has become a pain, and I often flip the channel. I like the playing style in La Liga, but the competition there is boring because there are really only 2 teams that compete for the top. Bundesliga is also good, very clean (no betting scandals there :thumb:), new stadia, full of people... but their style of play is a bit too physical and not sufficiently tactical for my personal taste. BL is also moving towards the 2-team model (Bayern and Dortmund) similar to Spain, which is not good. In addition, BL and La Liga are difficult to follow here in the US because of poor TV coverage.
 
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Porthos -

Great work :thumbsup:



Zeus -

What's all this then..? :icon_idea:

http://www.castefootball.us/forums/showthread.php/15934-English-Premier-League-2013-14

http://www.castefootball.us/forums/...Transfers-2013?p=279996&viewfull=1#post279996

You're the Greek, so feel free to break down a few Superleague Greece games for us...

Good job man. I never saw these threads before! Sorry but I am not interested to do a racial breakdown of the Greek Super League. My team won't be there so I won't even watch it!

However, I think the Greek Super League is like 90% white or so, but since my team AEK F.C won't be in the league for the first time in our history (keep in mind AEK is one of the big three in Greece, with 11 championships, 14 cups and multiple participations in Champions League, wins over Milan, Real and Inter, two times in the quarterfinals of the European Winners Cup and once in the semifinals of Uefa cup in 1977). The team got bankrupt and we will now play in C division :faint2:

Also our basketball team became the first Greek team from any sport, winning a European title back in 1968 winning the European League. It plays in B division too. I think the downfall of AEK must be one of the impressive (in a negative way) in European sporting history!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEK_(sports_club)

The only good thing is that our team is all white (all 23 players are white) with 20 of them being Greek!
 

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Hellas Verona 2 Milan 1

:whoo:

I watched the game. Great performance from Verona, very compact team with fast counteratacks. If they continue like that, they should safely be a middle of the table team. The 36 year old veteran Luca Toni scored both goals with headers. Pathetic performance by Milan. Balotelli (together with the black defender Zapata) was the worse player of the game. Non stop falling down, pretending it was a penalty, being aggressive with the referee. He got a yellow card but should have gotten a red. As usual, no Penalty, no Balotelli. After a good couple of months last year he seems to be going down fast.
One comment about Verona - I think the middlefielder Romulo (a Brasilian on load from Fiorentina, actually a pretty good performance from him) is not White but looks more like a Mesitzo, so not even Verona is 100% White. Too bad. :embarassed: I will continue to root for them anyway.
 

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Good job man. I never saw these threads before! Sorry but I am not interested to do a racial breakdown of the Greek Super League. My team won't be there so I won't even watch it!

However, I think the Greek Super League is like 90% white or so, but since my team AEK F.C won't be in the league for the first time in our history (keep in mind AEK is one of the big three in Greece, with 11 championships, 14 cups and multiple participations in Champions League, wins over Milan, Real and Inter, two times in the quarterfinals of the European Winners Cup and once in the semifinals of Uefa cup in 1977). The team got bankrupt and we will now play in C division :faint2:

Also our basketball team became the first Greek team from any sport, winning a European title back in 1968 winning the European League. It plays in B division too. I think the downfall of AEK must be one of the impressive (in a negative way) in European sporting history!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AEK_(sports_club)

The only good thing is that our team is all white (all 23 players are white) with 20 of them being Greek!

AEK like PAOK Thessaloniki is the team of the Greek refuges from Constantinople who were "ethnically cleansed" by the Turks in the 1920s. Big team - they should be back in first division in no time.
 

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what are the italians thinking with paul pogba?
they seem to think that he's the new zidane, but this guy is an absolute clown!
he has zero talent, can't defend, can't pass ect
the only think he can do is push the other players and play violently
he always tries to chip the ball forward but it never works! it's comical
 

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what are the italians thinking with paul pogba?
they seem to think that he's the new zidane, but this guy is an absolute clown!
he has zero talent, can't defend, can't pass ect
the only think he can do is push the other players and play violently
he always tries to chip the ball forward but it never works! it's comical

I would agree with you, but Juventus fans actually love him.
He is being groomed and presented as the "new Pirlo".
 

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Milan 1 Napoli 2

...and "Super Mario" missed a penalty.:icon_grin:

and he got his signature red card

higuain is showing the world that he's one of the best strikers in the world, better than falcao cavani ibrahimowicz ect
after a goal in champions league against dortmund, he gets a great goal in this important match against milan
he was born to play in the italian league, and napoli suits him so well
napoli now look like a giant of european football...as expected
 

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by the way....ac milan 6 blacks....you have got to be kidding me
napoli only 1 black (colombian fullback) and 10 whites
what a victory
 

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Roma established a new Serie A record with 10 consecutive victories (30 points) after the first 10 games, and only 1 goal allowed in 10 games! This must be Roma's year, just when everybody was expecting Juventus to dominate. Juventus and Napoli are second with 5 points less. The other interesting news in Italy is that Inter has been bought by the Indonesian tycoon Erick Thohir, while there are persistent rumors that Silvio Berlusconi, ex prime minister and president of AC Milan (who has fallen in disgrace lately both politically as well as financially) is looking to sell the club to some wealthy Arab investors. Sic transit gloria ... Two more European giants who were first "africanized", then sold to non-Italian, non-European "investors". If you add Juventus which - after the Jewish take-over of the Agnelli family (now Elkann) who owned the club (and the car-maker Fiat) for many years - is in Jewish hands, the picture is that all the "big three" Serie A clubs could soon be in foreign hands.

On a positive note, the lilly-White, right-wing, "racist" Hellas Verona is doing great, fifth with 19 points, same as Inter, and 7 more then the Afro-Milan. There si a slight difference - Verona is almost the cheapest team in serie A, with its players worth less than 44M Euros (only Chievo is cheaper - 42M) and the 36 year-old veteran Luca Toni their most famous player. On the other side - Milan is worth 220M, Inter 216M. Yet more proof that wasting money in colored players is not the way to go. Another nice story is that the New Jersey-born Giuseppe Rossi. His career was supposedly over after a serious knee injury 2 years ago. However, he is born-again and the top scorer with 9 goals at Fiorentina... it gets better - if his form persists he may be Italy's first striker in the Brasil 2014 World Cup instead of Balotelli who is in rapid decline (rumors are that Balotelli is heading back to EPL at a discounted rate).

Results (match day 10, 30.10.2013):
Milan - Lazio 1-1 (Kaka 55 / Ciani 72)
Cagliari - Bologna 0-3 (Garics 27, kone 59, Pazienza 61)
Fiorentina - Napoli 1-2 (Rossi 28-11m / Callejon 12, Mertens 37)
Genoa - Parma 1-0 (Gilardino 58)
Juventus - Catania 4-0 (Vidal 27, Pirlo 35, Tevez 65, Bonucci 71)
Livorno - Torino 3-3 (Paulinho 25, Greco 34, Emerson 63 / Immobile 4, Glik 8, Cerci 87-11m)
Sassuolo - Udinese 1-2 (Zaza 25 / Di Natale 18-11m, Muriel 57)
Verona - Sampdoria 2-0 (Taleb 51, Toni 78)
Atalanta - Inter 1-1 (Denis 25 / Alvarez 16)
Roma - Chievo 1-0 (Borriello 67)


Standings:
1 Roma 10 10 0 0 24 1 30
2 Napoli 10 8 1 1 22 7 25
3 Juventus 10 8 1 1 22 10 25
4 Inter 10 5 4 1 24 12 19
5 Verona 10 6 1 3 20 16 19
6 Fiorentina 10 5 3 2 20 13 18
7 Lazio 10 4 3 3 15 13 15
8 Udinese 10 4 1 5 11 11 13
9 Atalanta 10 4 1 5 12 13 13
10 Milan 10 3 3 4 17 17 12
11 Parma 10 3 3 4 16 18 12
12 Torino 10 2 5 3 16 18 11
13 Genoa 10 3 2 5 9 14 11
14 Cagliari 10 2 4 4 10 17 10
15 Livorno 10 2 3 5 12 16 9
16 Sampdoria 10 2 3 5 9 16 9
17 Bologna 10 2 3 5 13 22 9
18 Catania 10 1 3 6 6 17 6
19 Sassuolo 10 1 3 6 8 24 6
20 Chievo 10 1 1 8 7 18 4
 
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:censored:Damn!Didn't know Juventus was firmly under Jewish control.The filthy rats are everywhere!

Oh,and the reason for this is some wealthy Italaian family(the Agnelli's) chose to destroy themselves by mixing with jews.

This creepy jew,John Elkann owns Juve:

John_elkann_05_13_2011.jpeg


His father's wiki page is interesting too.

A glimpse:

"A recurring theme in his books is the history of the Jews in Italy, their centrality to Italian history,":mad2:


Elkann was born in
New York City, to a wealthy and influential family. His Italian Jewish mother, is from the influential Turinese Ovazza banking family, while his father was a French Jewish industrialist, the Chairman of Dior and the President of the Consistoire Central Israélite de France, responsible for appointing the Chief-Rabbis of France.



On a side note,i do not make any money whatsoever from the redirect service...its just a good practice on forums like these.
In case anyone is interested:
http://anonym.to/en.html
 
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:censored:Damn!Didn't know Juventus was firmly under Jewish control.The filthy rats are everywhere!

Oh,and the reason for this is some wealthy Italaian family(the Agnelli's) chose to destroy themselves by mixing with jews...

Yes, the story of the takeover is interesting. Initially Gianni Agnelli (the patriarch of the family) chose his nephew Giovanni Alberto Agnelli as his heir. But hise dies from a rare form of cancer in 1997, only 33 years old. Then the probable heir became Gianni Agnelli's only son Edoardo (who in 1986 was a member of the Juventus board, and had a keen interest in football). However, Edoardo had strong ties with Iran and was a convert to Islam, so one day in 2000 he wass found "suicided" under extremely misterious circumstances. Supposedly he stopped his car on a highway viaduct and plunged to his death from almost 80m, appearently without any reason. No official autopsy was ever done and the case was hastily closed as a suicide by the Italian police. The Italian "regime" press went out of their way to portray Edoardo like an unstable person, but according to people close to him - he was an intellectual, spiritual and lucid person. There are persistent (and credible) theories that he was murdered by Mossad, to avoid that the control of Italy's most important industrial conglomerate (FIAT) falls into the hands o an "Iran-friendly" CEO. Edoardo is considered a "Martyr" by the Republic of Iran, who even produced an interesting documentary on his life and death. So, with the two "Italian" heirs out of the picture, the Jewish "Elkann" branch of the family had a free reign and is now safely in control through John Elkann. FIAT is now increasingly divesting from Italy and moving operations elsewhere, turning their once mighty Turin headquarters increasingly into an empty shell. Rumors are that, should the remaining "Italian" Agnellis try to reassert their control over the family posessions, their life might be in danger.
Juventus FC is just a relatively small (although very well known) piece of the Agnelli's properties which are huge and estimated at tens of billions of dollars.
 
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Yes, the story of the takeover is interesting. Initially Gianni Agnelli (the patriarch of the family) chose his nephew Giovanni Alberto Agnelli as his heir. But hise dies from a rare form of cancer in 1997, only 33 years old. Then the probable heir became Gianni Agnelli's only son Edoardo (who in 1986 was a member of the Juventus board, and had a keen interest in football). However, Edoardo had strong ties with Iran and was a convert to Islam, so one day in 2000 he wass found "suicided" under extremely misterious circumstances. Supposedly he stopped his car on a highway viaduct and plunged to his death from almost 80m, appearently without any reason. No official autopsy was ever done and the case was hastily closed as a suicide by the Italian police. The Italian "regime" press went out of their way to portray Edoardo like an unstable person, but according to people close to him - he was an intellectual, spiritual and lucid person. There are persistent (and credible) theories that he was murdered by Mossad, to avoid that the control of Italy's most important industrial conglomerate (FIAT) falls into the hands o an "Iran-friendly" CEO. Edoardo is considered a "Martyr" by the Republic of Iran, who even produced an interesting documentary on his life and death. So, with the two "Italian" heirs out of the picture, the Jewish "Elkann" branch of the family had a free reign and is now safely in control through John Elkann. FIAT is now increasingly divesting from Italy and moving operations elsewhere, turning their once mighty Turin headquarters increasingly into an empty shell. Rumors are that, should the remaining "Italian" Agnellis try to reassert their control over the family posessions, their life might be in danger.
Juventus FC is just a relatively small (although very well known) piece of the Agnelli's properties which are huge and estimated at tens of billions of dollars.

Excellent post Porthos,simply excellent.


But why did this man Gianni Agnelli the patriarch of the Agnelli family(once known as the royal family of Italy for their riches) let his daughter Margherita Agnelli screw a jew?:crazy:

There was only one way their family was heading since that faux pas.:crutch:

God alone knows what goes on in the lives of these rich,powerful,non-jewish elites(as it is,there are fewer and fewer of them with each passing day).

Like Frederic alluded to the other day,you have to be inherently anti-white,atleast to an extent,to be rich or even an intellectual/celebrity in this current age.
 
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Excellent post Porthos,simply excellent.


But why did this man Gianni Agnelli the patriarch of the Agnelli family(once known as the royal family of Italy for their riches) let his daughter Margherita Agnelli screw a jew?:crazy:

There was only one way their family was heading since that faux pas.:crutch:

God alone knows what goes on in the lives of these rich,powerful,non-jewish elites(as it is,there are fewer and fewer of them with each passing day).

Like Frederic alluded to the other day,you have to be inherently anti-white,atleast to an extent,to be rich or even an intellectual/celebrity in this current age.

since the rules have changed in the last few decades, now it's impossible to be rich/powerfull without being mentally or physically a semite
there have been powerfull/rich people who have lost everything because they didn't want to use immigration to lower the wages and become more competitive
the ones that are left in powerfull positions and who are not jewish/foreign are traitors or they are semites mentally
for example the agnelli has used immigration from the south of italy to piemont to make his FIAT factories more competitive in the past, i think
the real leaders of our people have left important positions a long time ago
 
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