is someone like me welcome on this site

White Shogun said:

In my opinion, we need a moratorium on legal immigration, stronger border enforcement, fining those who hire illegals, end welfare benefits, rescind birthright citizenship, and call our troops home from around the world to protect our borders instead of those in Korea and Iraq.

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Here here!

JD074 said:

I have a big problem with it. If Christians want to help them, they should go there and help them, not bring them here. (That's what missionaries do, right?) We have to differentiate "us" from "them" or we'll die off.

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Absolutely! Africa is littered with rotting corpses of white missionaries who mistakenly believed their religious values would change genetic realities. Time after time, country after country, the same results. Whites invest money, labor, blood, sweat and tears to establish something resembling civilization. For thanks, they get thrown out or slaughtered like animals only to see the -natives- revert to nature and destroy every flippin thing they built. Or they bring them over hear to wreak havoc on us. I would say to them, " Go to Africa if you must, but stay there with your wonderful soul brothers.'

guest301 said:

However i also am very pro isreal and a beleiver that we are the chosen people who God still has a plan for.

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Any individual who would say to someone else, "We are God's chosen people", is elitist and antagonistic. I consider it bragging and that is wrong. Especially when you can't back it up. My dad taught me that when I was 5 years old. Making any inflammatory statement is confrontational and Guest301 could have worded it differently. God would not make braggarts his chosen people. At least I hope he wouldn't.

The Jewish people I have known in my life have never said such a thing to my face. And I have worked for a Jewish company(8 years), coached basketball in a Jewish town(2 years) and had school friends that were Jewish.

I do not consider this a religious comment. I would feel the same anger towards a poster on this site saying his home state was better than mine or his house was bigger than mine. As I tell my kids, manners are for everyone.Edited by: GWTJ

GWTJ, I think he was referring to the Biblical covenant found in the Old Testament. Without knowing that essential piece of info, it would seem very arrogant, but I understand what he is saying.

Colonel, why should I give him a free pass on his bad manners simply based on what he is referring to? And why are you? He said it when he shouldn't have and I called him on it. I hold him to the same standard that I hold every human being to. He could have gotten his point across just as well without saying it. That's what a humble, respectful person does.

His beliefs should be like a pocket watch, only taken out when asked for.

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I appreciate your defence colonel Reb but GWTJ is partially right. I shouldn't have put it the way I did...I should have phrased it much better. I don't think I am any kind of a braggart and I certainly don't go around saying things like that. I guess I was under the faulty assumption that everybody would understand what I meant, (except for colonel Reb) I was wrong. I apologize.I only meant it in the context of what the bible says..that's the only way I meant it. I am a much better speaker than writer and It can be hard to communicate everything I am thinking when usually I have a limited amount of time to post. I hope my apology suffices.

However I don't agree with your pocket watch sentiment, one's beliefs can be spoken about at any time whether asked for or not depending on the circumstances. This whole site is about expressing a belief that is certainly not in the mainstream but still true.

Sorry for the third posting but I had to respond briefly to the question posed to me at the end of JD074 past. You asked me a question''what would aragorn the patriot, aragorn the jew, aragorn the christian and aragorn the white person do if america got involved in a armed comflict on behalf of isreal against another country with which we would have no national interest in being ivolved with and thousands of american soldiers would die". Whew, good question on your part but I dispute the premise of your question. We do have a national interest in isreal and her survival, I believe it's connected to our survival as a nation. God says he would bless those nations who bless isreal and curse those who curse isreal. I believe the main reason God has not judged this nation for her many sins (abortion, homosexuality, idolatry, etc...) is because of the fact that we are isreal's best friend and occasional protector. I believe that whether that sounds silly to you or not. Unfortunately for me, what the bible says and God expects from me makes me look and sound very nieve and silly to others. But, I would rather be right and have knowledge of the truth than be popular and respected by everybody. I also believe that since isreal is the only real democracy in the region(to some degree) we have a compelling interest there.

I guess I missed the context of guests post then GWTJ, as I thought the argument was simply about that specific reference to being chosen by God. That is all you quoted GWTJ, and that is all I commented on. I don't think guest301 was trying to be arrogant or a braggart with his statement, but I guess that is what happens when you have different people reading something, you get different understandings.

Guest301,

I have re-read my post and surprised myself. I was much harsher than I should have been. Bragging is a pet peeve of mine because I have to hear it way more than I would like to. So I have edited my post now that I am calmer and I consider your gracious apology above and beyond the call of duty. Sorry I snapped. This is an open forum.

Colonel,

I live in a very arrogant area of the country. Trying to teach my children the truth about things is very difficult. Interestingly enough, I find myself defending Southerners more and more. I also find my tolerance for people who put other people down waning quickly. Case in point, when Bush got re-elected in 2004, my son's history teacher said in his liberal biased way that Bush had won by getting all the dumb states to vote for him. Naturally he was talking about the Southern and Midwestern states. When my son repeated to me what his teacher said I asked him,"Do you mean the states with mostly white people?" He said yes. So I showed him the results of the election, town by town, in NJ. I showed him that Kerry won by a landslide in towns like Newark, Camden and Trenton. I explained to him that those towns were filled with the most uneducated, impoverished, criminal minded people in the state. I then showed him that the richest towns in NJ, towns filled with successful, intelligent people, voted heavily for Bush. I showed him that things were actually the opposite of what his biased teacher had told him. I also gave a brief description of the Republican and Democratic parties histories to give him a better understanding of things.

I get inundated with anti Southern remarks all the time and I have just gotten tired of the elitest attitude. So, I have decided to call people on it when I hear it. I think I will avoid religious threads in the future.

I only meant it in the context of what the bible says..that's the only way I meant it.

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Well, if its in the Bible, it must be okay then.

You know guys, I am going to opt out of this conversation. I get the feeling we're about to engage in a circular argument, and I feel reason departing this thread.

I would point out all manner of atrocities: murder, genocide, kidnapping, slavery, and others, committed in God's name or condoned by him in the Bible. Arrogance of the Israelites would be the least of these sins.

You would reply that it was necessary for God to purge sin from the earth.. or that the old testament no longer applies, we're under grace now.. or God's ways are not our ways.. we're the clay, he is the potter, he can do as he wills... etc.

Its a pointless and futile debate. I apologize for having been drawn into it this far.

See you in the NFL forums!

GWTJ..I accept your apology as well. No hard feelings. You were right to call me on that statement,heading for the house last night I didn't feel right about it and so I am glad you called me on it.As for you White Shogun, see you at nfl forums.

guest301 said:

....God said that we were the chosen people ..I didn't come up with that and certainly don't go around feeling better than anybody else because of it. God gave us that designation for his own reasons, not because their is any inherent traits in us that warrants it.....

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How nice it is to be one of God's chosen. The religious Zionist Jews consider the old testament to be literally 100% true, and an accurate account of their history. If they had the power, we would be dealt with exactly the same way as in the past. God would tell them to go here there and everywhere and drive out the inhabitants of the land and steal their posessions. If they didn't submit and dared to fight back, God was sure to make em pay big time, when given a chance.


They wiped out and destroyed everyone in their path , from the Amalekites, Hittites, Girgasites, Canaanites, Amorites and a whole lot of other ites.This is exactly what they've done to the Palestinians. Lets read just one story of the many which are quite similar of the dealings of the Jewish God and his chosen. Let's open our bibles to the book of Samuel Chapter 15 vs. 2. Pity the poor folks who ever get in their way!!! They don't forgive or forget.


<A name=2>15:2</A> Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt
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<A name=7>15:7</A> And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt. <A name=8>15:8</A> And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.


Well, it turns out KING Saul didn't utterly destroy all and God was really ticked, so he sends the Prophet Samuel to finish the job.


<A name=32>15:32</A> Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of the Amalekites. And Agag came unto him delicately. And Agag said, Surely the bitterness of death is past.


Notice how Agag with hat in hand hopes for a little mercy. Fuggetaboutit.


<A name=33>15:33</A> And Samuel said, As the sword hath made women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal.


Aragorn?A simple question for you? Do you justifythat sort of action? If so, would you have slaughtered the children, babies, women and animals if the prophet told you to? Just curious.


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Bart, You have set a trap for me, I'm not falling into it. Your problem is with God and his word, not me.

Set a trap? No, just looking for an honest answer. I'll leave it at that but just let me give you a final meditation for this evening. I will present something else to ponder on a diferrentsubject in the future. By the way, there are Jewishsectswhich are planning to go back and re-establish the Levitical priesthood and old testament laws, when the opportunity arises.


Deut: <A name=1>7:1</A> When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgash*tes, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;


<A name=2>7:2</A> And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:


<A name=3>7:3</A> Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.


<A name=4>7:4</A> For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.


<A name=5>7:5</A> But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.


<A name=6>7:6</A> For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.


So much for diversity, inter marriage,religioustolerance and pluralism.

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We do have a national interest in isreal and her survival, I believe it's connected to our survival as a nation.

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Who is this 'We'??

Do not ever EVER include me in with the jews!

I want nothing to do with jewish supremacist oppression of Palestine or murdering of White girls like Rachel Corrie!

www.nowarforisrael.com

Surf's Up for Anti-Semites!!

Believe me Lord Lugdreg with your unholy evil black metal alias evil black metal band neverending forest. Whatever the heck that means,I would never include you with me, us or anything else. How can I take you seriously anyway with that nonsense at the end of your every posting!

Bart, Yes it was a trap because you knew how I and other messianic jews would likely answer that question you posed to me.You wanted a "I gotcha moment" with me and I wasn't going to give it to you. Your problem is again with God and his word. But I do thank you for posting his word because "it will never return void" despite your reason for posting it.

My my.

A little arguement broke out while I was gone.

Here are some facts and some of my opinions:

1. A huge portion of the anti-white/totalitarian/leftist movements, such as communism, Freudian psychology, and Boasian Anthropology, have their origins and primary intellectual firepower coming from Jews. About 60% of the leadership of most Leftist movements is Jewish...this with 2% of the population being Jews. The Jews have attained status as the History's Holy Martyrs and Those Who Cannot Be Criticized, and that's not right in a free country. You Jews have alot to answer for as a group, because of this.

BUT...

There have been valuable conservative/libertarian Jews such as Ayn Rand. And the most honest and intelligent Jews, such as radio commentator Michael "Savage" (real name: Weiner) realize, and I quote "The White male is the goose that laid the golden egg" in terms of inventing technologies and political structures. And the Jew working in the local deli is just a poor slob like ther rest of us has little or nothing to do with what the elite of his people are doing, anymore than a Texan like myself has much influence with W. Bush.

2. There is no evidence to my mind of of there being anything GENETICALLY wrong with Jews, in fact the European Jewry seems to be highly intelligent, to say nothing of the fact that all Jews of European ancestry nessecarily have huge infusions of Caucasian genes. (As opposed to native Middle Eastern Jews, who are seemingly less intelligent.) Rather, the problem is simply that at least a signifigant and influential minority of Jews have adopted a culture that sees itself as being in a covert war against Caucasians.

3. Judaism is both rather silly and highly ethnically chauvanistic if you take it literally. God picked out one insignifigant desert tribe who never achieved nearly as much as say, the Greeks or Persians? Why on earth would he do that? God really cares whether or not we wear linen and wool together, or get a tattoo? God authorizes "his people" to eat carp but not lobster? Please.

Fortunately, most Jews, being highly intelligent, do not buy into the whole thing lock, stock, and barrel. Unfortunately, as I mentioned above, too many Jews have bought into the religon of Left-liberalism.

4. The fact that the U.S. Congress is Israeli occupied territory is a huge problem. The Muslims don't "hate our freedom", they hate our taking sides in the ancient, stupid, and insoluble race war with the Israelites. America has no business putting intself on the line for such conflicts. Consider, we could interfere in Northern Ireland, or try to make the Chinese give back Tibet, or get ourselves into any one of of the hundreds of quagmires world-wide...but we sensibly do not. Only some Jews and some Christians think that carving a "nation" millenias dead out of another people's current home, then wasting countless amounts of American blood and money fighting with said pissed off natives is a good idea. (Admittedly, the Middle Easterners ARE savages, but hey, we started this conflict with them.)

Didn't Jesus say that if the Jews denied Him that there would be a new people chosen? I'll look for the scripture. But the whole concept of a chosen people is racist. Is God racist? The sons of Ham shall be cursed and all of that. And if he is, what is so bad about people being racists? And another thing, being anti semitic is about like being anti hispanic, both are language groups and not specific about race. Arabs are Semitic as well right?

NO KG2422, God is not a racist and he had his own reasons for choosing the jewish people as his vehicle for presenting his word, character and plan to the rest of the world. Question him about it, not me. Yes he has to some extent "chosen" another, his primary focus for the last two thousnad years has been with the Gentiles because he has deliberately blinded the eyes of the jewish people for our many sins including the rejection of our messiah(jesus christ). His focus will soon return to us however. But I don't wan't to get into all that, just go read some of my other postings. I"m getting worn out with this thread but I started it so I will deal with it.

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Whew, good question on your part but I dispute the premise of your question. We do have a national interest in isreal and her survival, I believe it's connected to our survival as a nation. God says he would bless those nations who bless isreal and curse those who curse isreal. I believe the main reason God has not judged this nation for her many sins (abortion, homosexuality, idolatry, etc...) is because of the fact that we are isreal's best friend and occasional protector.

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Could you give me a non-religious reason why Israel is important to America, and/or important to white people in general? I don't understand why that little piece of desert is so crucial to our "survival as a nation," as you put it. At the very least, you must admit that they need us a lot more than we need them. We give them around 3 billion dollars per year in foreign aid, I believe.

And as for God not judging us... well, he should!

guest301 said:

I also believe that since isreal is the only real democracy in the region(to some degree) we have a compelling interest there.

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Honestly, I couldn't care less whether other countries are democratic or not.

God is not a racist and he had his own reasons for choosing the jewish people as his vehicle for presenting his word, character and plan to the rest of the world. Question him about it, not me.

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You know, you've got a point there Aragorn. Do you have his email? Or maybe his cell number? I'll shoot him an email and see if he will mind if I quote him.

No? No way to reach him? Ah well...



Maybe the Rev Moon will take my call, he says he is God's new rep on earth. He isn't? hmmmm.. well Jim Jones.. no, wait.. David Koresh..I'm runnin' out of options here.

Anybody?
Bueller? Bueller?

guest301 said:

I have noticed at times some very anti semitic posts or at least some hostility towards the jewish people and the nation of isreal. It bothers me...

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So, you're bothered by a little criticsm of some of the -Chosen- ones, which you perceive to be anti - semitic.Then you must have seizures when reading what Jesussaid toJews. Or did you rip those pages out of your New Testament? There are many, many more strewn throught the gospels.


Jn. 8:42: Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but he sent me.
43: Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word.
44: You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


Holy mackeral! He tells them they are children of the DEVIL who is a liar with no truth in him and their will is to do his desires. NOT very Christian of Jesus to say that. Then before they crucify him he lets em have it with a broadside. Read the entire chapter to get the full import. Excepting his few followers, he condemns the whold darn lot of em as liars, snakes, hypocrites andkillers destined for destruction and hell!!!


Matthew 23 :31: Thus you witness against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
32: Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers.
33: You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell?


I guess Jesus didn't know about that often quoted verse about: how "God blesses those who bless Israel and curses those who curse Israel". Except of course the Christian Zionists have changed the actual wording.In the bible the reference is to Abraham not Israel as such.

Dude, what about the pope!!!! He's the right hand man isn't he? He's direct in the line from St. Pete who guards the pearly gates. I hear they talk all the time.