Early look at 2011 NFL draft

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A day after being tagged a average athlete by an A.F.C. scout, Georgia's Kris Durham had a fantastic Pro Day workout.
It seems scouts automatically lump every white athlete as being an average athlete. What makes him average, his white skin? LOL
 

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A good barometer of RB's NFL success!

A player must have at least one 1000+ yard season while in college.
A player should accomplish the 1000+ yard season at a 5.0+ yards/carry pace.
A player should run a sub 4.55s 40 Yard Dash if they're an above average player.
A player should run a sub 4.5s 40 Yard Dash if they're an elite player.
A player should jump at least a 9-8 Broad Jump to succeed
RIGGENS, this is primarily to you (and of course to anyone else that wants to chime in). Do you think that Chase Reynolds has what it takes to make up for his pigment? Did he hit all of the above marks? What about Dan Dierking, purely in test numbers obviously I know he never hit anywhere close to 1,000 yds. I can tell you one thing Zach Line sure as hell will measure up to this. He will test out very close to AP when the time comes. What think you Riggens? Edited by: chris8812
 

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Chase Reynolds ran for over 1500 yards two seasons in a row. He ran a 4.55 into a freezing wind. I think 4.6 range is acceptable espescially depending on the conditions. you have to take into acount vertical/shuttle 3 cone drill as well.

the whole 1,000 yards in a season thing, yeah white guys actually have to get the ball. Jake Sharp didn't have 1,000 rushing, but he had 1100 from scrimmage (lots of shovel passes, like draw plays) in only 8 games. As far as the ypc, it depends on the team, the blocking etc. As long as its over 4 it should be okay.
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True Snow, Do you know what his numbers were I can't seem to find anything other then his 40 and broad jump. I think Reynolds could be a contributor, but like JRiggens said earlier in this post; I just don't see star written on him. Not on a Peyton Hillis, Danny Woodhead level. I do think that in the right system he could be very valuable. Such as the role Thomas Jones has in K.C. Another question I had, what are his hands like? His pass blocking?
 

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TE Collin Franklin tore it up at Iowa State's Pro Day.

Franklin bench-pressed 225 pounds 28 times, which eclipses Michigan State's Charlie Gantt and Tennessee's Luke Stocker who each had the most repetitions, 27, at the Combine. Franklin's 10 foot, 4 inch broad jump would have been second best at the Combine behind Nevada's Virgil Green and his 40-yard dash time of 4.69 seconds would have placed him seventh among Combine participants at the position.

I think I posted some highlights of his earlier in this thread. He's a good one.
 

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He had a 36 inch vertical, great hands, caught everything at pro day, had great hands in college (40 catches last year) so great that I wouldn't mind seeing him switch to the slot. He had a 6.76 3 cone drill which is comparable to guys like Ray Rice, Ahmad Bradshaw and Jamaal Charles. He doesn't do anything great, but everything well. I think ToughJRiggins tries to be TOO fair when evaluating white players and sometimes ranks guys that aren't on an elite level lower than they should go. I mean I see what hes saying because this is what NFL scouts do, but should try to think where he would be without the caste system, a 30 year old Maurice Morris had success last year for the Lions, so I think Reynolds could as well.Plus it can be kind of hard to see exactly how good a player is on footage like Reynolds where the camera is really far away, unless you have seen it up closer, Lippincott's video was like this, it was hard to see the little things that he did that were special. The original tape was clearer, but then youtube makes it more grainy, so far away camera + lesser quality film. When ranking guys you have to keep in mind that it doesn't take much to be an average back in the league. Pierre Thomas is a good comparison for Chase, hes not big (he was under 200 coming out) not a burner, but has great vision, follows is blocks and is a great receiver and in pass protection. Injuries have held him back. Ahmad Bradshaw is another guy I would compare him to, Bradshaw isn't big (5'9 under 200), and not elite straight line speed (I think high 4.5) but has great agility, his measurables are like Reynolds, he ran for over 1200 last year with 40 receptions. 13 runs over 20 yards but only 2 over 40. So yeah Pierre Thomas like stats is his floor and Bradshaw is his ceiling imo. He would probably wind up somewhere in between in a fair world.

As far as pass protection, it was good but like every back its going to need work, even Hillis has to work on pass protection, rarely does a back come out of college being great at it.

By your formula Peyton Hillis wouldn't be a good back because he didn't get the ball that much in college. Blount ran for 1,000 yards last year and ran a 4.7. Now Reynolds might not be on a Hillis/Woodhead level, but those two guys are at the top, elite level. There are tons of backs below them that get carries, espescially now that teams use more running back by committee. I could see him doing well on a team like that, not to mention he has the versatility to line up in the slot as well. No he probably won't be a star, but in the right situation he could put up 1,000 yards rushing/receiving. Just look at Shonn Greene, not big, or fast, I think he had one 20 yard run last year, but puts up solid stats splitting carries and hes not even good in the passing game, he just knows how to follow his blocks I think he ran like a 4.67. I think someone like Hester could perform better, Hester didn't avg 5 ypc in college but he was used in alot of short yardage (I think 7 3rd and 1/4th and 1 in the Florida game alone) this brings down the ypc. He ran a 4.6 and had a great 10 yard split (1.5), better than Ingram. The Colts should get Reynolds, they don't like big backs, he is quick and great in the passing game.

but like I said, not everyone has to be on a Hillis


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I when I made the Thomas Jones comparison, I actually had Thomas in mind first, interesting. Hillis's case is obviously different as he never really had a chance in College because of the caste system. I see your point in how JRiggens rates backs, but I think it is just him trying to be realistic with the Stereotypes/Caste System. Our backs have to be exceptional to make it. One back that has really caught my eye is Dan Dierking as NCromwell noted earlier, his measurables are right there on point with Ingram. According to my system he would be 2" shot on the broad jump, and short on the production side. But looking at his highlights from high school I came to believe that he has a huge future in the NFL. This year with 100+ carries from scrimmage he averaged 4.7 per carry, while that is not what I stipulated. He did run out of the FB spot and in a lot of short yardage situations. I really think that he will be an excellent late round pick up for some team. Do I think he should go higher, yes. But realistically he won't. I see Dierking as being very closr to Shonn Greene, just more athletic. Look at his high school film, very close to the Hillis situation. Except that there was no good reason for Dierking to be held back.
 

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Riddlewire,

i saw on a link posted by DraftDaddy that Iowa State safety Michael O'Connell put on an impressive showing at their Pro Day: 4.59 in the 40, 18 bench reps, 37.5-inch vertical, 10'2 broad jump. i looked up his season's stats, and they didn't jump out at me.have you seen anything on him?perhaps he'll get a shot as a WSTD.

by the way, what's with all these White cats with insanely highverticals? the tired old stereotype of White men can't jump is so egregiously false, that i often wonder how it stays alive. aside from the repetitions of idiot sheeple, that is.
 

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I think when a guy like Roy Helu (over 1,200 yards rushing in the Big 12- a 4.4 40, 4.01 SS, 6.67 3-cone) isn't supposed to come off the board until the 4th round and Evan Royster, Dion Lewis and Noel Divine are considered 6th or 7th round picks by NFLdraftscout and were very productive in big conferences in various years of their career (with Noel Divine, despite his tiny size, he has freakish measurables and is very elusive) that you have to consider the draft stock by comparing him to other players.

Chase Reynolds looks like about a 2nd or 3rd round prospect on film to me, but his measureables don't stand out from the pack which leads me to believe the level of competition and the selection of his best highlights for the Youtube video might inflate his status a bit. His YPC in the FCS wasn't spectacular throughout his career, but his total accumulated production stands out a lot. He could probably produce like Pierre Thomas or Julius Jones have in recent years as a runner, his ceiling could be Ahmad Bradshaw without the fumbling. His floor might be Steve Slaton or Glen Coffee. I think 4th round-Priority UFA status is where he would be selected if he was afroletic. I may have underestimated his status by a round or two.

To give a scouting report on Chase:
He has great burst, makes one sudden cut the way you love to see a small back do while losing very little speed, he has solid vision and instincts, doesn't hesitiate when he sees a seam and takes what the defense gives him and quickly heads north/south. He has good toughness, strength and balance for a back his size and breaks arm tackles very well. He seems to burst his way through tiny seams at the line of scrimmage and is tough to see behind the o-line. He can catch the ball on wheel routes and in the flat.

Negatives: He lacks a great second gear, had good but not EYE POPPING production for an NFL RB prospect from the FCS, sometimes hestitates too much when trapped in tight space. Can he handle 20 carries a game or is he more of a 12-15 carry a game guy at the next level? Is he versatile enough to play in any system, or used best as only a zone blocking system back? He can take on one tackler, but can he push the pile with his smaller size?

Film grade: 2nd-3rd round (Looked great on film) grades out even slightly above Jake Sharp on film, but you have to also put it in the context of the level of football he played. I also watched him on t.v once last year in addtion to his highlights on Youtube.
Measurables grade: 4th-7th round
Production grade: 7th round/ Priority UFA *Due to FCS player status

Where would he be selected if black? The range would be from the 4th round to priority UFA this year. If he wasn't drafted, he'd certainly be one of the most coveted UFAs. There is no doubt in my mind he'd be in a team training camp if black- and with a good training camp he very well could play his way into splitting carries as a team's third down back as soon as his rookie season!Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
 

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Noel Devine is 5'8 179 pounds (thats just too small, he weighs less than Sproles, his playing weight was 160), his 40 yard time was elite but we don't know how much elusiveness he lost by bulking up almost 20 pounds. He had a toe injury last year that might be affecting his draft status, toe injuries can linger, plus character concerns.

As far as Roy Helu, his combine doesn't match his film, he is not very great at running in between the tackles, not very elusive and doesn't show the type of power you would expect from a back that is 220 pounds. He kind of reminds me of Brian Leonard in running style, except he is poor in the passing game and Leonard had more power. The only time I really saw him take it to the house last year were on zone read option plays out of the pistol when teams were so focused on stopping Martinez. There is a reason why his stats dropped off once Martinez wasn't the running threat he was in the first half of the season, the first part of the season he was used more in the option designed to get him to the outside while Burkhead was the dive back that went up the middle. It was harder to design plays for him to the outside without the option, they had Burkhead in the wildcat but it was different playcalling than when Martinez was in there. He was very productive but reminds me of someone like Ben Tate, whose style I don't think will translate well to the pro game.

as far as competition, I wouldn't focus too much on where he played and the Big Sky, just because its FCS doesn't mean its poor, they are one of the best divisions in the FCS, they have produced guys like Jared Allen, Jeff Charleston, Kroy Bierrman, Shann Schillinger, Lex Hilliard, Marc Mariani. Mariani didn't look like a beast against the same competition, he was above average but not eye popping and did great in the NFL last year. As far as competition, call me crazy but I think they would match up well with some of the fbs conferences. The only problem is some of the offensive linemen would be a little bit smaller. Its a tough conference and as far as Reynold's running style he would average 5 ypc no matter what conference hes in, he doesn't have that backyard football run to the outside style that Taiwan Jones has, which works well in college but not in the pros. Reggie had the same style as Jones and I wouldn't call the Pac 10 weak so I wouldn't rate Jones higher because he avged more ypc.

Marc Mariani return stats at Montana
32 punt returns his senior season, 507 yards 15.8 per return, 1 td
NFL
27 punt returns 329 yards 12.2 per return, 1 td
Kick returns at Montana (only 5 his senior yr so ill list career)
42 returns 1158 yards 27.6 yards per return 1 td
NFL
60 returns 1530 yards 25.5 per return, 1 td.

Thats not that big of a drop off in production for a return man considering its college vs pros. Talent is talent and the Big Sky is better than some conferences in d1 fbs, id love to see them play the sun belt or mac or even some of lower wac and big east schools. Roy Helu Jr only averaged 3.1 ypc against SDSU last year on 19 attempts with a 6.6 ypc season avg, Burkhead had 4.7 ypc with 5.5 season avg. Georgia backs Ealey and Kingaveraged 4.6 andonly 69 yardsagainst Idaho St, they ran for 1200 yards in the SEC with a 5.3 ypc. Nevada's Vai Taua averaged4.3 ypc against Eastern Washington, had a 5.7 ypc for the season. None of these guys were really able to break off a big run. Its not a cakewalk trying to run against guys in this conference, and these are backs that should be surrounded by better talent at every position, their offensivelines have a size advantage and should have been creating huge holes, yet none of them were able to average 5+ ypc against thisconference.

like you mentioned Helu is projected in the 4th, and Taua is ranked above Chase, although not by much now that he ran a 4.7 at the combine and then a 4.65 at his pro day. Ealey is ranked the 10th best back of his upcoming draft class (although I doubt that happens now that he is suspended) and we all know how good Burkhead is. If the talent level was that much of a drop off these guys all should have had field days with 7 to 8 ypc-well above their season averageagainst these guys but that wasn't the case.


edit: the onlytime I couldfind a back from a big program having a field day running against a big sky team was ASU backs against PortlandSt, whoonlywon 2 games last season,one had over a 100 yards on asmall number ofcarries, and another 100 receiving on a few receptions, however these same two backs only had33 yards on 14 carries against another big sky team the week after, Northen Arizona, both of these guys combined forwell over 1,000for the season with a5.5 ypc,with one averaging .01 under 6 ypc for the season.

If he were black, we wouldn't be having this conversation because he would be in an fbs conference, and probably averaging the same amount.
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If you are black you can run a 4.7 at the Combine for a wide receiver and still be considered a mid round prospect.

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San Diego State WR Vincent Brown posted a 4.56 forty time at his Pro Day workout Thursday.
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Speed isn't Brown's game, but this time is a major
improvement from the 4.70 range he recorded at the Combine. A stellar
route runner with good hands, Brown is a mid-round prospect.
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snow, you make some good points, let me address some of them:
Chase Reynolds played some of the FCS's top competition which is similar to the middle of the road teams in the FBS or even lesser BCS conference Big East teams like Rutgers or Louisville or a non BCS conference bowl team like SMU. Yet he also played against some FCS teams that don't measure up to FBS teams.

If I was going to rank Chase Reynolds stock via NFLdraftscout's rankings I'd put him somewhere between 9th-19th. I ranked Jake Sharp as my 9th back last year.

I highly doubt that 22 backs will be drafted as only 13 (I believe) were drafted last year (although that was a 5 year low). The 5 year draft average is 17 I believe. Evan Royster, Dion Lewis and Noel Devine are ranked a little lower by NFLdraftscout than they should be IMO. Chase Reyolds should be in the mix with guys like those or being talked about with guys like Jordan Todman or Shane Vereen at very best. Chase's 60th best RB rank by NFLdraftscout is laughably INSANE.

Other things to clear up: Noel Devine is clearly NOT an every down back in the NFL, but he could handle a Leon Washington or Darren Sproles type role with his elite agility and speed.

Mark Ingram is overrated as a prospect. I don't see him as the 12th best player in this draft- although he was HIGHLY productive against top competition in college- some of this was his o-line and the offensive play calling/ offensive system. Ingram ran an atrocious 4.62 short shuttle time and a lousy 3-cone- as well as a 4.62 40. In fact, I think Leshoure is a better prospect- (very arguably Ryan Williams and DeMarco Murray as well). Ingram should be off the board around the 50th pick- where Toby Gerhart should have been a mid 1st rounder and the first or second back off the board last year!

Also Reynolds high 4.5x 40 would probably be a mid 4.6x at the NFL combine, but speed isn't his game. As the scouting report I did of him indicates: it's his elite short area quickness, burst, him being tough to see with his small size while making quick cuts through seams in the o-line- and his toughness for a diminuative player.

I'm not knocking Chase as a prospect, but you have to rememember his YPC wasn't astounding in the lower level and his measurables although VERY solid, (his short shuttle and 3-cone were pretty good) were not spectacular overall. If Chase was black he'd get his shot in the pre-season to prove (to the team that was looking for his services) that he could be their back in a dual threat attack or the team's third down back. Unfortunately for Chase, he is just not afroletic.
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snow said:
If he were black, we wouldn't be having this conversation because he would be in an fbs conference, and probably averaging the same amount. </div>

Forgot to address your last point. This says it all. This is why we have to keep fighting Yahooligan White Rivals and BrownieScout.com's push to deny freak talents like Nile Knapp, Steven Manfro, John Howell, Marc Mauro and Cory McCaffrey schoolarships to top programs. This is why this site exists.
 

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Here is another afflete prick whose going to be a big headache for whichever team drafts him.

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According to NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock, Pittsburgh WR Jonathan Baldwin "has a well-earned reputation as a diva."
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"And publicly trashed his starting QB at Pitt," adds
Mayock. Baldwin was also arrested in May of 2009 for allegedly groping a
female student on a bus, and has had public altercations with the
Sporting News' Russ Lande and Chris Steuber of NFL Draft Scout, both for
no good reason. Mayock believes Baldwin will still go early in the
second round. That might be a bit generous.
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UGA's 6'5 215 WR Kris Durham ran a 4.4 40 y/d, posted a 35" vertical, benched 225 x 17 reps, & had a 10' 1 broad jump during UGA's Pro Day.
 

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whiteathlete33 said:
Is anyone here surprised that noone has said anything about moving Locker to wide receiver? It happened to Crouch, Frost(moved to safety), and Matt Jones. All three were very athletic quarterbacks.

Well, here you go. It's now a Draft tradition that at least one White QB is selected much later than expected, and if Locker is one of them it wouldn't be a surprise if his pro career isstillborn by moving him to a position he's never played, in spite of the assurances of the know-nothings at Weenieworld that it won't happen.

The National Football Post's Aaron Wilson has heard from a source that some teams are "curious" if Washington QB Jake Locker's NFL future is at safety. It's interesting that it's taken this long for the topic of a position change for Locker to be broached, but at 6-foot-3, 231 pounds, he'd be an interesting prospect at safety after running a 4.59 40 at the Combine. With so many teams in need of a quarterback, however, there's a zero percent chance he won't be drafted as one.
 

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So Locker as a safety. How many publications have suggested that sCam Newton might be a better prospect as a blocking tight end? Zero, just as I thought.
 

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So Locker as a safety. How many publications have suggested that sCam Newton might be a better prospect as a blocking tight end? Zero, just as I thought.

What are you kidding me? According to the DWF's and media Scam is going to "redefine" the quarterback position. I can't wait to see him fail miserably. Maybe that will sober the DWF's up a bit.
 

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Here are two white athletes from Iowa State that put up good numbers at their Pro Days. They both have a chance at being drafted.



Collin Franklin, TE, Iowa State

Height: 6-6. Weight: 256.
Projected 40 Time: N/A.
Combine 40 Time: DNP.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.69.
Benchx225: 28. Vertical: 34.5.
Projected Round (2011): 5-7.



4/4/11: Collin Franklin is an intriguing late-round tight end
prospect. He caught 54 balls for 530 yards in 2010. He posted a 4.69 40,
a broad jump of 10-4 and 28 reps of 225 at Iowa State's Pro Day.



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Mike O'Connell, S, Iowa State

Height: 5-11. Weight: 208.
Projected 40 Time: N/A.
Combine 40 Time: DNP.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.59.
Benchx225: 18. Vertical: 37.5. Arm: .
Projected Round (2011): 6-FA.



4/4/11: Mike O'Connell had a great Pro Day workout. He notched a
4.59 40, a 10-2 broad jump and a 37.5-inch vertical. The blue-collar
O'Connell played his senior season with three pins in his broken hand.



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Another white safety that was forced to go the D3 route.


<H1 =entry-title>NFL future could be in store for Olson</H1>
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Lane Olson isn't your prototypical NFL strong safety.
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Former Warhawk Lane Olson, who played with the team from 2007-2010, is being courted by NFL teams and has the possibility of being taken in the NFL Draft. Photo by Tim Gumz


Standing at 5-foot-8 inches and weighing just more than 200 pounds, the Racine native didn't even play the position for the majority of his college career.


But after posting some of the best numbers in this year's safety draft class at the UW-Madison Pro Day March 9, Olson has solidified himself as a legitimate prospect in the NFL Draft, which occurs April 29-May 1.


If Olson had been invited to the NFL Combine March 2 to work out with other defensive backs, he would have posted some of the top numbers among both safeties and cornerbacks in the draft.


In fact, in every drill Olson performed Madison, he would have ranked in the top four among safeties if he had participated in the NFL Combine.


"One of the big things that got me noticed at the Madison Pro Day was all of my drills and times,"Â￾ Olson said. "I'm pretty sure every team in the NFL has come and talked to me, watched some of my practices or watched game film from last fall."Â￾


Although only 10 players from Division III have actually been drafted, and only eight are currently on an NFL roster, that won't discourage Olson from pursuing his dream.


From now until the draft, he will work on refining his skills in the secondary. Olson started as a linebacker for the Warhawks the past three seasons, recording 216.5 tackles and 18 sacks.


Olson recently signed with agent Mitch Chargo, who has worked as the middleman for Olson in talking to teams. Olson said he is hoping he will be drafted, as free agents will be in a state of limbo until a collective bargaining agreement is reached by the NFL and the player's union.


"My agent said it looks like I could be drafted in the seventh round, but I'll most likely end up as a high-priority free agent,"Â￾ Olson said.


Olson's performance was so eye-popping at Madison that even Green Bay Packers general manager Ted Thompson was impressed.


"I didn't really talk to him, but he called me a beast and shook my hand,"Â￾ Olson said
 

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White Safeties for 2011 that should be drafted.
1. Tyler Sash. He has the size, game tape, and the intangibles to succeed in the NFL. Lead one of the Nations best defenses in 2010. 4.6 forty,33inch vert.2nd rd pick

2. Chris Prosinski. Adequate size at 6'0 200 lbs and has phenomenal athleticism(4.39 forty,40 inch vert). 2nd\3rd rd pick

3. Brian Lainhart. Another underrated safety who excelled in the MAC. Lainhart has the college production and measurables to easily be drafted. Sadly he'll be pegged as not being athletic enough by scouts.(4.64 forty, 4.18 short shuttle,28 bench reps, 37 inch vert)4th rd

4. Chris Conte. A converted CB he has the size 6'2 to be a rangy ball hawk. 4.5 forty,4th round


5.. Tommy Irvin. A small schooler from Wofford who has NFL caliber game. He's thickly built and a tackling machine who also runs in the low 4.5 range. 5th round

6. Lane Olson. A small schooler who knows how win and is a gem of an athlete. He's 5'8 200lbs, runs a 4.4 forty, 3.9 short shuttle, 39 inch vertical and 10'4 broad jump is extraordinary. Another safety similar in size is Florida's Ahmad Black who runs a pedestrian 4.78 40 but will probably hear his name called before everyone on this list! 5th rd

7. Mike O'Connell. Well built safety with adequate size and measurables. 4.59 forty, 10'2 broad jump and a 37 inch vert prove he's not an "overachiever". 6\7th rd

Others who have potential. Iowa's Brett Greenwood, BYU's Andrew Rich, Pitts Dom Decicco, Southern Illinois Mike McElroy, Montana's Erik Stoll.
 

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BTW should have given DeCicco more credit. He's a fine athlete

40 4.62
3 cone 6.65
ss 4.12
Broad 10"7"
VJ 37"
 

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celticdb15,
it's good that some mediaacclaim is being spread about Lane Olson. you and i discussed him way back in the middle of March (and included the specifics on his Pro Day performance, unlike the article above), and finally he's getting some publicity in April. he's virtually a carbon copy of "all-world" Colts' safety Bob Sanders ... only Olson is able to stay on the field more than 1 game out of 3. oh, and he's White, of course. which means rather than being a perennial Pro Bowler for doing nothing, he'll be a WSTD and allowed to do nothing due to the Caste System's racial slotting. if he even gets a shot at the NFL, that is.
 

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Yeah all we can do is stay positive and if Olson is ignored like the countless guys before him, we'll be here to recognize it and use that further in our arguments. I like the comparision to Bob Sanders, but I think he will be more durable and I am positive the media will compare him to Jim Leonhard(who btw is not a bad guy to be compared to.)
 

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I'd really like to see Lane Olson get regular playing time. What an athlete!
 
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