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Les Richter had a tremendous reputation as a middle linebacker from 1954-62. He also did some placekicking and could fill in on the offensive line. The LA Rams traded 11 players to the Dallas Texans (later the Colts) for him in 1952. They did this even though Richter had a two-year military service commitment and didn't join the Rams until 1954.
 

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It wsa nice to see Chris Hanburger finally, after far too many years, inducted into the HOF. However, the annual jokefest continues, as totally undeserving black players like Richard Dent, not to mention Deion Sanders, who was the all time most overrated athlete until Mike/Michael Vick entered the scene, are gleefully enshrined. They actually advertised the fact that this clown was 23rd all time in interceptions. Wow. I can certainly see why he thinks he's one of the top 3 players of all time. Considering the fact he was one of the worst tacklers of all time, that stat is not very impressive.

The idiotic jock sniffers and DWFs clearly have no sense of history, and little knowledge of the game they adore. Jerry Smith retired in the late 1970s, and until Shannon Sharpe and Tony Gonzalez started the modern trend of prolific pass catching TEs, compiled by far the most impressive numbers of anyone who ever played his position. It is a disgrace that his name is never even mentioned for induction. Mick Tingelhoff was universally considered the best center in the NFL for at least a decade. Why isn't he in the HOF? Why are Dent and Singletary in the Hall, but not Dan Hampton, who was thought of as the "star" of that vaunted Bears' defense? Why was Chris Doleman up for enshrinement, but not Keith Millard, the more talented part of the Vikings' DL duo of that era? Why isn't Gary Collins, who was named as a starting WR on the All-Pro DECADE team of the 1960s, not in the HOF? Meanwhile, his counterpart in Cleveland, the wildly overhyped Paul Warfield, is. Look up his stats- anemic doesn't even do them justice. But then again, look at the numbers from "all time great" Lynn Swann. You simply won't believe them. But they are both, of course, Hall of Famers.

I could go on and on, listing tons of white players who are more deserving of enshrinement than the likes of Richard Dent, Rayfield Wright and Charlie Sanders, who is the most undeserving inductee ever for HOF in any sport. Bill Bergey. Len Hauss. Larry Stallings. Jimbo Covert. Jim Lachey. Joe Jacoby. Jerry Kramer. Bob Kuchenberg. Wesley Walls (check out his stats- you would not believe how much more he accomplished than the likes of John Mackey, Mike Ditka and especially the thoroughly mediocre Charlie Sanders). The list could go on and on.

The same Caste System that has limited whites to no more than 20% or so of NFL players, year after year, has clearly set a quota in place, whereby the vast majority of nominees, and therefore inductees, to the HOF are going to be black. There is absolutely no reason to respect or pay attention to the bogus institution that masquerades as the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Edited by: bigunreal
 

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bigunreal said:
It wsa nice to see Chris Hanburger finally, after far too many years, inducted into the HOF. However, the annual jokefest continues, as totally undeserving black players like Richard Dent, not to mention Deion Sanders, who was the all time most overrated athlete until Mike/Michael Vick entered the scene, are gleefully enshrined. They actually advertised the fact that this clown was 23rd all time in interceptions. Wow. I can certainly see why he thinks he's one of the top 3 players of all time. Considering the fact he was one of the worst tacklers of all time, that stat is not very impressive.

The idiotic jock sniffers and DWFs clearly have no sense of history, and little knowledge of the game they adore. Jerry Smith retired in the late 1970s, and until Shannon Sharpe and Tony Gonzalez started the modern trend of prolific pass catching TEs, compiled by far the most impressive numbers of anyone who ever played his position. It is a disgrace that his name is never even mentioned for induction. Mick Tingelhoff was universally considered the best center in the NFL for at least a decade. Why isn't he in the HOF? Why are Dent and Singletary in the Hall, but not Dan Hampton, who was thought of as the "star" of that vaunted Bears' defense? Why was Chris Doleman up for enshrinement, but not Keith Millard, the more talented part of the Vikings' DL duo of that era? Why isn't Gary Collins, who was named as a starting WR on the All-Pro DECADE team of the 1960s, not in the HOF? Meanwhile, his counterpart in Cleveland, the wildly overhyped Paul Warfield, is. Look up his stats- anemic doesn't even do them justice. But then again, look at the numbers from "all time great" Lynn Swann. You simply won't believe them. But they are both, of course, Hall of Famers.

I could go on and on, listing tons of white players who are more deserving of enshrinement than the likes of Richard Dent, Rayfield Wright and Charlie Sanders, who is the most undeserving inductee ever for HOF in any sport. Bill Bergey. Len Hauss. Larry Stallings. Jimbo Covert. Jim Lachey. Joe Jacoby. Jerry Kramer. Bob Kuchenberg. Wesley Walls (check out his stats- you would not believe how much more he accomplished than the likes of John Mackey, Mike Ditka and especially the thoroughly mediocre Charlie Sanders). The list could go on and on.

The same Caste System that has limited whites to no more than 20% or so of NFL players, year after year, has clearly set a quota in place, whereby the vast majority of nominees, and therefore inductees, to the HOF are going to be black. There is absolutely no reason to respect or pay attention to the bogus institution that masquerades as the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
I agree that saying Sanders is a complete cornerback is an insult to Mel Blount or even guys on the outside looking in like Pat Fischer. I don't know who the most deserving White seniors candidate is. It could be Jerry Kramer, it could be Ken Willard or Pat Fischer. Dent to me is more of seniors type. By the way Hampton made it a few years ago. Well at least Sanders dressed down for the occasion. The last thing I needed was an orange suit with a bright red tie. I could have checked myself in to the hospital thinking I was having an acid flashback.....
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white is right said:
bigunreal said:
It wsa nice to see Chris Hanburger finally, after far too many years, inducted into the HOF. However, the annual jokefest continues, as totally undeserving black players like Richard Dent, not to mention Deion Sanders, who was the all time most overrated athlete until Mike/Michael Vick entered the scene, are gleefully enshrined. They actually advertised the fact that this clown was 23rd all time in interceptions. Wow. I can certainly see why he thinks he's one of the top 3 players of all time. Considering the fact he was one of the worst tacklers of all time, that stat is not very impressive.

The idiotic jock sniffers and DWFs clearly have no sense of history, and little knowledge of the game they adore. Jerry Smith retired in the late 1970s, and until Shannon Sharpe and Tony Gonzalez started the modern trend of prolific pass catching TEs, compiled by far the most impressive numbers of anyone who ever played his position. It is a disgrace that his name is never even mentioned for induction. Mick Tingelhoff was universally considered the best center in the NFL for at least a decade. Why isn't he in the HOF? Why are Dent and Singletary in the Hall, but not Dan Hampton, who was thought of as the "star" of that vaunted Bears' defense? Why was Chris Doleman up for enshrinement, but not Keith Millard, the more talented part of the Vikings' DL duo of that era? Why isn't Gary Collins, who was named as a starting WR on the All-Pro DECADE team of the 1960s, not in the HOF? Meanwhile, his counterpart in Cleveland, the wildly overhyped Paul Warfield, is. Look up his stats- anemic doesn't even do them justice. But then again, look at the numbers from "all time great" Lynn Swann. You simply won't believe them. But they are both, of course, Hall of Famers.

I could go on and on, listing tons of white players who are more deserving of enshrinement than the likes of Richard Dent, Rayfield Wright and Charlie Sanders, who is the most undeserving inductee ever for HOF in any sport. Bill Bergey. Len Hauss. Larry Stallings. Jimbo Covert. Jim Lachey. Joe Jacoby. Jerry Kramer. Bob Kuchenberg. Wesley Walls (check out his stats- you would not believe how much more he accomplished than the likes of John Mackey, Mike Ditka and especially the thoroughly mediocre Charlie Sanders). The list could go on and on.

The same Caste System that has limited whites to no more than 20% or so of NFL players, year after year, has clearly set a quota in place, whereby the vast majority of nominees, and therefore inductees, to the HOF are going to be black. There is absolutely no reason to respect or pay attention to the bogus institution that masquerades as the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
I agree that saying Sanders is a complete cornerback is an insult to Mel Blount or even guys on the outside looking in like Pat Fischer. I don't know who the most deserving White seniors candidate is. It could be Jerry Kramer, it could be Ken Willard or Pat Fischer. Dent to me is more of seniors type. By the way Hampton made it a few years ago. Well at least Sanders dressed down for the occasion. The last thing I needed was an orange suit with a bright red tie. I could have checked myself in to the hospital thinking I was having an acid flashback.....
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It's funny that Bigunreal wails about "the idiotic jock sniffers and DWFs with no sense of history" when he complains about Dan Hampton not being in the HOF, when Hampton is in fact in the Hall.

Jerry Kramer is a good choice as a senior, but he has been kept out for decades. One reason is that the selectors think enough Lombardi era Packers are already in. The other, in my opinion, is they think Kramer got too much publicity for the block on Jethro Pugh in the 1967 Ice Bowl.
 

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You have to be kidding me, Deion Sanders in the Hall of Fame?!? Look at his career stats over a 14 year period!

Tackles: 39(You read right, 39 tackles over a FOURTEEN YEAR career)
Sacks: 1
PDef: 5
INT: 53
TD: 9

I'm going to contrast that with a couple of ROOKIES.....

Devin McCourty-
Tackles: 82
Sacks: 1
PDef: 17
INT: 7

Joe Haden-
Tackles: 64
Sacks: 1
PDef: 18
INT: 6
FF: 1

Now why contrast it? Because as plain as day his entire career isn't even on level with the average rookie cornerback. Could there be any bigger joke? Before any apologists jump in yeah yeah yeah, 53 INT's over a 14 year career. Like others have said, he's 23rd alltime so he isn't really that special in the one stat he put up in 14 years. In fact anyone who cares to go look can see he averaged an unimpressive 2 to 3 INT's per year while doing absolutely NOTHING else.

Could the Hal of Fame be anymore of a joke? Now they're electing guys whose only real skill was an ability to run their mouths, take seasons off over minor "injuries" such as a stubbed toe and dress outlandish?
 

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TheAnimal said:
You have to be kidding me, Deion Sanders in the Hall of Fame?!? Look at his career stats over a 14 year period!

Tackles: 39(You read right, 39 tackles over a FOURTEEN YEAR career)
Sacks: 1
PDef: 5
INT: 53
TD: 9

I'm going to contrast that with a couple of ROOKIES.....

Devin McCourty-
Tackles: 82
Sacks: 1
PDef: 17
INT: 7

Joe Haden-
Tackles: 64
Sacks: 1
PDef: 18
INT: 6
FF: 1

Now why contrast it? Because as plain as day his entire career isn't even on level with the average rookie cornerback. Could there be any bigger joke? Before any apologists jump in yeah yeah yeah, 53 INT's over a 14 year career. Like others have said, he's 23rd alltime so he isn't really that special in the one stat he put up in 14 years. In fact anyone who cares to go look can see he averaged an unimpressive 2 to 3 INT's per year while doing absolutely NOTHING else.

Could the Hal of Fame be anymore of a joke? Now they're electing guys whose only real skill was an ability to run their mouths, take seasons off over minor "injuries" such as a stubbed toe and dress outlandish?

Animal, I could play in the NFL and have more than 39 tackles in a 14 year career. That number you posted is ridiculous and totally false. Sanders had 492 tackles in his NFL career. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SandDe00.htm
 

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Tackling stats were recorded for the last 2 years of Sanders'career. So he had 39 tackles over his last 2 years, still pretty bad, but not staggeringly bad. But I agree, his selection is a joke.
 

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"Peon Deion" has NO business being enshrined in Canton.
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As BigUnreal alluded to, Sanders was the most overrated player of all-time..until ConVick arrived.
 
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Pro Football Reference claims a career total of 492 tackles for Sanders; even if those numbers were official they wouldn't be terribly impressive as a 14-year total. Sanders ought to be Exhibit #1 in "You can't make great WRs out of return specialists, no matter how black they are." I've had this argument recently about Devin Hester. In partial support of Paul Warfield, we should keep in mind that in addition to playing in an era when QBs weren't throwing 40+ times per game, he played for two teams that specialized in running; Cleveland, with Jim Brown and then Miami, with Csonka/Morris/Kiick/Nottingham/Anderson.
 
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Sanders was an awful tackler, it was painful watching him try.
 

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bigunreal said:
It wsa nice to see Chris Hanburger finally, after far too many years, inducted into the HOF. However, the annual jokefest continues, as totally undeserving black players like Richard Dent, not to mention Deion Sanders, who was the all time most overrated athlete until Mike/Michael Vick entered the scene, are gleefully enshrined. They actually advertised the fact that this clown was 23rd all time in interceptions. Wow. I can certainly see why he thinks he's one of the top 3 players of all time. Considering the fact he was one of the worst tacklers of all time, that stat is not very impressive.

The idiotic jock sniffers and DWFs clearly have no sense of history, and little knowledge of the game they adore. Jerry Smith retired in the late 1970s, and until Shannon Sharpe and Tony Gonzalez started the modern trend of prolific pass catching TEs, compiled by far the most impressive numbers of anyone who ever played his position. It is a disgrace that his name is never even mentioned for induction. Mick Tingelhoff was universally considered the best center in the NFL for at least a decade. Why isn't he in the HOF? Why are Dent and Singletary in the Hall, but not Dan Hampton, who was thought of as the "star" of that vaunted Bears' defense? Why was Chris Doleman up for enshrinement, but not Keith Millard, the more talented part of the Vikings' DL duo of that era? Why isn't Gary Collins, who was named as a starting WR on the All-Pro DECADE team of the 1960s, not in the HOF? Meanwhile, his counterpart in Cleveland, the wildly overhyped Paul Warfield, is. Look up his stats- anemic doesn't even do them justice. But then again, look at the numbers from "all time great" Lynn Swann. You simply won't believe them. But they are both, of course, Hall of Famers.

I could go on and on, listing tons of white players who are more deserving of enshrinement than the likes of Richard Dent, Rayfield Wright and Charlie Sanders, who is the most undeserving inductee ever for HOF in any sport. Bill Bergey. Len Hauss. Larry Stallings. Jimbo Covert. Jim Lachey. Joe Jacoby. Jerry Kramer. Bob Kuchenberg. Wesley Walls (check out his stats- you would not believe how much more he accomplished than the likes of John Mackey, Mike Ditka and especially the thoroughly mediocre Charlie Sanders). The list could go on and on.

The same Caste System that has limited whites to no more than 20% or so of NFL players, year after year, has clearly set a quota in place, whereby the vast majority of nominees, and therefore inductees, to the HOF are going to be black. There is absolutely no reason to respect or pay attention to the bogus institution that masquerades as the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Great post bigunreal, (ignore the nitpickers) the Hall has become, like nearly all other sports voting, a mere popularity contest with the love of "diversity" (ie blacks) the ruling paradign. It is meaningless if you consider merit as the reason for induction.
 

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Woody said:
Tackling stats were recorded for the last 2 years of Sanders'career. So he had 39 tackles over his last 2 years, still pretty bad, but not staggeringly bad. But I agree, his selection is a joke.

W33, Woody, my bad. I went to NFL.com and looked up his stat sheet and that's what it said. I thought they were reviewing and retroactively adding old stats to players totals, you know, to right the injustices of the black man against those "slave mentality" owners? I guess not. The reason I took it at face value is all I recall his entire career was him either chasing players out of bounds, taking plays off "injured" or making INT's here and there. Even still, no excuses, I messed that one up.
 

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I'll give this another try.

Deion Sanders actual stats-
Tackles: 492
FF: 10
TD's: 9
PD: 10
Sacks: 1
INT's: 53

Sorry folks, again my bad. How embarrassing.
 

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TheAnimal said:
I'll give this another try. Deion Sanders actual stats-Tackles: 492FF: 10TD's: 9PD: 10Sacks: 1INT's: 53Sorry folks, again my bad. How embarrassing.

No worries, man. As always, I appreciate the work of anyone using statistics.
 

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TheAnimal said:
Woody said:
Tackling stats were recorded for the last 2 years of Sanders'career. So he had 39 tackles over his last 2 years, still pretty bad, but not staggeringly bad. But I agree, his selection is a joke.

W33, Woody, my bad. I went to NFL.com and looked up his stat sheet and that's what it said. I thought they were reviewing and retroactively adding old stats to players totals, you know, to right the injustices of the black man against those "slave mentality" owners? I guess not. The reason I took it at face value is all I recall his entire career was him either chasing players out of bounds, taking plays off "injured" or making INT's here and there. Even still, no excuses, I messed that one up.

No problem, Animal. I was shocked when I was first saw you post that low number. I knew it had to be wrong. I know on NFL.com it shows that number but only because it lists his tackles for the last two years. Getting back to the subject, he surely is an over rated player.
 

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The sadthing is that knowing how unwilling many CBs are to tackleand knowing Sanders to have been especially adverse to contact, I actually thought that those tackle numbers could be right and had to check.
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No worries Animal.
 

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Woody said:
The sadthing is that knowing how unwilling many CBs are to tackleand knowing Sanders to have been especially adverse to contact, I actually thought that those tackle numbers could be right and had to check.
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<div></div>No worries Animal.

I knew those numbers couldn't be correct. That would average out to around 3 tackles per season. No afflete is that bad.
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