NHL gaining on NBA?

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ive read with the introduction of high definition tv, and more channels broadcasting in it, hockey will gain more viewers because its hard to see the strategy and the puck and exactly what they are doing on regular televisions, especially when they are going at such a fast pace.

I am from the South so I dont know anything about hockey except that we had a minor league team here for a while called the New Orleans Brass, even though I didnt know exactly what was going on when i went to of the games because i have never played hockey before, it was pretty entertaining.
 

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I also prefer nhl over nba. nba is like a hip hop convention now and is so flashy. Edited by: green fire317
 

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Also hockey is more intense than the NBA. Nobody ever tries in pro basketball on defense, but the NHL is filled with more skilled, better trained athletes who dont make an ass of themselves off the rink.

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ESPN The Magazine has a chart listing various data about the NHL, NBA, NFL and MLB. To focus just on the NHL and NBA:

* The minimum NBA salary is $442,114; in the NHL it's $475,000
* 372 NBA players make at least $1 million; 417 NHL players do
* The average NBA team payroll is $72 million; for the NHL it's $52.9 million
* The salary cap in the NBA is $58.7 million; in the NHL it's $56.7 million
* Annual league revenue in the NBA is $3.5 billion; for the NHL $2.6 billion
* Average team revenue is $125.5 million in the NBA; $91.6 million in the NHL
* Average ticket price is $49.47 in the NBA; $49.66 in the NHL

Not listed is average attendance, but the two leagues are very close in that department. In fact, the "niche" NHL compares remarkably well to the NBA. But there are two big discrepancies -- one is in TV revenue, with the NBA getting close to $1 billion per year from ABC/ESPN and TNT, but the NHL less than $200 million per year from Versus, TSN and CBC.

The other big discrepancy is of course media coverage and corporate endorsements. NBA players are routinely featured in national commercials, NHL players rarely. And the media in general gives the NBA far morecoverage than it devotes to the NHL.

If the media covered the two sports equally, which it should given the above data, the NHL would be much more popular than the NBA. It seems headed that way anyway, and is probably there already in many markets that have both an NBA and NHL franchise.
 

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Perhaps the NBA and NHL are in a dead-heat money-wise. Health-wise in general, there's no comparison.

The NHL and hockey in general is the National Religion in Canada. Successful NHL franchises in both Canada and USA have amazingly fanatic fan-bases. The young and glorious NHL of 2009 is fan-appealing and will expand satisfyingly during the next four years. I say four because once Bettmann gets his hands on another collective bargaining agreement, he may well have his chance to ruin the league.

In the NBA's glory days (I say 1968-1988) there were passionate fan bases for the Lakers, Sonics, Bulls, Celtics, and Knicks, with a smattering for other teams. Since the radical Negroization of the NBA, continuity has been maintained mostly by fanatically pro-Negro sports networks and print media.

The NBA hangs on by its Black-Red-and-Green shoelaces ... while the NHL explodes with young, White star players and an exciting playoff every spring. I'm certain I am among many thousands of permanently turned-off anti-basketball Americans who are just tired of arrogant, evil Negroes who dominate that sport. Hooray for the NHLEdited by: Realgeorge
 

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Unfortunately, the NBA is getting much better ratings than the NHL playoffs. A lot of the NBA games on cable are getting 10 million viewers while the most watched NHL playoff games on cable get just over 2 million. NBC has the first two Stanley Cup final games in prime time. It'll be interesting to see how many viewers they get.
 
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Unfortunately, the NBA is getting much better ratings than the NHL playoffs. A lot of the NBA games on cable are getting 10 million viewers while the most watched NHL playoff games on cable get just over 2 million. NBC has the first two Stanley Cup final games in prime time. It'll be interesting to see how many viewers they get.


give the NHL time. it will be ok. Ovechkin vs. Crosby can be the new Bird vs. Magic.

i only think NFL is a widespread sport. i would say that the other three 'major' sports are basically niche sports. but hockey is growing and baseball and basketball are not.
 

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pistol pete said:
Matra1 said:
Unfortunately, the NBA is getting much better ratings than the NHL playoffs. A lot of the NBA games on cable are getting 10 million viewers while the most watched NHL playoff games on cable get just over 2 million. NBC has the first two Stanley Cup final games in prime time. It'll be interesting to see how many viewers they get.


give the NHL time. it will be ok. Ovechkin vs. Crosby can be the new Bird vs. Magic.

i only think NFL is a widespread sport. i would say that the other three 'major' sports are basically niche sports. but hockey is growing and baseball and basketball are not.

I haven't seen anything yet about the NBC ratings for the NHL, but as far as cable, Versus is still a pretty obscure network that doesn't yet have the saturation level of TNT.

The NHL is a great product and will continue to grow. The passion fans have for their teams in NHL markets is great to see. The Stanley Cup playoffs are perhaps the greatest sporting event North America has to offer.
 

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<div>I haven't seen anything yet about the NBC ratings for the NHL, but as far as cable, Versus is still a pretty obscure network that doesn't yet have the saturation level of TNT. The NHL is a great product and will continue to grow.  The passion fans have for their teams in NHL markets is great to see.  The Stanley Cup playoffs are perhaps the greatest sporting event North America has to offer. </div>

Past week traveled to the Midwest, three states (MO, KS, and OK). Stayed in standard Marriott hotels ... Ticked me off, each had large cable TV lineups, but no VERSUS network. Hard to get exposure when the network isn't even available. Had to follow the Cup Finals on internet.

By far I still prefer the NHL on fledgling VERSUS rather than ESPN. ESPN would fill the NHL with blax and chicanos -- somehow, someway -- and that would be dramatically worse than being on an obscure TV network.
 

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Penguins vs. Capitals drew huge TV ratings last week, even better than basketball. ESPN short-sheets the NHL egregiously. It's great to see robust NHL ratings on Versus, Fox Sports Regionals, ComcastSportsNet, TSN, CBC, Rogers, and others. The NHL has defeated the Bettman-Zioweeny attempts to kill it via media underexposure.

I've said it before: ESPN will bitterly regret their decision to screw the NHL. I hope they never get it back. In fact I hope one day ESPN goes bankrupt

 

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I used to be an NHL fan as a kid. For some reason I don't find games too interesting anymore. Maybe I will start watching some games this season.

My buddy is a big hockey fan and loves our local team, the Devils. He's always complaining that he misses a lot of the games because Dish Network doesn't show them.
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Flyers vs. Penguins is the national game this afternoon, and the Wachovia Center is sold out, and quite loud in South Philadelphia. I absolutely love watching hockey, and especially rooting for my hometown team!

I re-discovered NHL fandom last year when I first started attending college in central PA. I'm in the middle of Penguins country here, which rekindled my passion for the Flyers again.

Also, I visited my friend who goes to school in Montreal last year, and Canadian "Sportscentre" is pretty much 100% hockey. Not a basketball or football highlight in sight!
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I watched about 20-25 Carolina Hurricanes games the year before the lockout. I was really getting into the sport even though I hardly knew anything about it. Hockey's not that big in my neck of the woods. When the lockout happened it really killed my interest.

Just the other day Dish Network added the NHL Network to my cable plan. I watched the Penguins-Capitals game on NHL Network a few days ago. I'm currently watching the Penguins-Flyers game that PhillyBirds mentioned.

I'm trying to get back into the sport
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A decent article, and I just figured that this thread was as good as any to post a link to it and some excerpts..


State Of the Union 2010: NHL Style


ESPN continues to not mention hockey games until 40 minutes into their SportsCenter broadcast and overall ignore the sport. Then again, they let Barry Melrose continue his 20 minute podcast once a week. Yeah, the NHL's presence with the Worldwide Leader is awe-inspiringly bad.

To me, he doesn't really ponder why that is, but at least he notices that ESPN is doing something. IF the PTB were ever to find their (because that's how they describe it) "Tiger Woods of Hockey".. you can bet that NHL coverage would be the 1st thing on Sportscenter.



The Hope of the Future

Every sport is always talking about how many young superstars they have stepping onto the scene. No one can compete with the quality of product that the young players in the NHL are bringing to the league. For the NHL, the next generation is here.

Not only are young players starting taking over the scoring leader board, but they're developing into leaders as well. The fruits of the 2008 and 2009 drafts are getting better with every passing day. Guys like Steven Stamkos, Drew Doughty, John Tavares and Tyler Myers are some of the most important players on their respective teams.

The players of the vaunted 2003 Draft are the ones that truly demonstrate the bright future of the NHL. They are developing into leaders on their team and superstars all over the league. Mike Richards, Dustin Brown and Eric Staal are already wearing the C. And those playersâ€"they're only 23 or 24 years old.

http://www.viewfrommyseats.com/2010/01/state-of-the-union-2010-nhl-style/
 

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I would like to see the NHL become a profitable, secure league with a slow steady growth of dedicated fans. They should also get rid of some of the teams that are losing money. The NHL doesn't need as many teams as they have. Let it stay a "niche" sport, otherwise if it was to get too popular, you'll have the black race hustlers looking for pay-offs (NASCAR). Just make the league profitable.
Basketball while growing up was my favorite sport, but between the crappy play of players and the sickening announcers, it is unwatchable.As far as skill, talent and execution the nba needs to try and gain on the NHL.
 

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The 2010 NHL Playoffs are a great TV hit
The play in the 2010 Playoffs is as good as any that most hockey fans can remember
The NHL is not only not dead, but poised to overtake the NBA
The Versus network has been a SAVIOR for the NHL. It takes no Negro-uber-alles orders from ESPN or the Hate-White national media
It concentrates solely on broadcasting the NHL
A Blackhawks-vs-Flyers NHL Final will be one for the ages, with skyrocketing viewership
So MUCUS on all you liberal NHL haters out there who gloated back in 2004. The NHL is about move past the putrid, slow, stupid NBA

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news;_ylt=AlSg6q3zIHcly0YPodtNkKN7vLYF?slug=ap-hockeyshot

NEW YORK (AP)â€"Wayne Gretzky loved many things about the Canada-United States gold medal hockey game in Vancouverâ€"including the message it sent to every fan who has wondered, "Are they playing for the money or are they playing for the sport?"Â￾

"When you see the Olympic Games,"Â￾ he said, "and how hard they play, and how much they care, and how happy they are when they win, and how devastated they are when they lose, and they're not getting paid any money for itâ€"people really take a grasp of that and say, ‘You know what? I love the fact these guys play the game because they love it."Â￾'

The good vibes have rolled on for hockey through the Stanley Cup playoffs. The first two rounds averaged 886,000 viewers per game in the U.S., up 19 percent from last year and the most since 1997â€"in other words, since before the lockout.

"We had a lot of momentum going into the Olympics,"Â￾ NHL chief operating officer John Collins said, "and a lot coming out of the Olympics."Â￾

The league's comeback from that lost season in 2004-05 was slowed by some bad luck. The next two Stanley Cup finals were Carolina-Edmonton and Anaheim-Ottawa, teams that weren't exactly going to draw in the casual fan.

But as fortunes have shifted so have TV ratings. The league is coming off two straight Red Wings-Penguins showdowns and that dramatic Olympic tournament capped by the thrilling final between the two North American teams. The second round of this year's playoffs was full of large-market, tradition-rich, star-laden franchisesâ€"and it doesn't hurt that 10 of the 12 series so far this postseason have gone at least six games.

"We've had some fantastic luck with series going seven games and some unbelievable story lines,"Â￾ said Jamie Davis, president of NHL cable partner Versus.

The first two rounds on Versus averaged the most viewers for cable coverage of the Stanley Cup playoffs since Nielsen started keeping track in 1994. With Versus in its fifth year of its NHL deal, more fans now know where to find the network, Davis said.

The NHL proudly notes that on May 7, when the Bruins and Celtics both had playoff games and the Red Sox were facing the Yankees, it was the hockey game that drew the most viewers in the Boston area. Game 4 of the Bruins-Flyers series attracted 328,000 viewers on Versus, the baseball game on local network NESN had 223,000, and Cavaliers-Celtics Game 3 averaged 142,000 on ESPN.

Hockey's strong comeback still leaves it behind other sports in the national ratingsâ€"the NBA playoffs are averaging almost 3.9 million viewers per game through the first two rounds. But it's clear the league has moved far beyond the doldrums of the lockout.

"Everyone was saying hockey was dead,"Â￾ Davis said.

Sponsorship revenue is up even in a tough economy, and the NHL finds itself in a much stronger bargaining position going into its next TV contracts.

The apparent boost from the Olympics on NHL ratings may not have much impact when the league decides whether to allow its players to compete in Sochi in 2014 â€" in fact, it may prove one of commissioner Gary Bettman's concerns. He has questioned whether the NHL will benefit as much from a Winter Games in a distant time zone as from one in North America.

But for now, hockey is still riding the momentum of Vancouver.

"To a man, each and every person that I talked to after the Olympic Games, everyone remembered that game and remembered watching that game and how great a game it was,"Â￾ Gretzky told The Associated Press at the Gillette-EA Sports Champions of Gaming event in New York last month. "Obviously the U.S. people were disappointed they lost, but they were really thrilled by the fact it was such a great game.

"It was nothing but a positive for our sport, and that's what we need."Â￾
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I'm sure ol' David Stern is pissing his pants when he sees the actual viewership comparison between "his" league and the NHL. Might spark an "indirect" need for white players.
 
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The corporate sponsorship and the TV deal are the only things keeping the NBA up. ESPN is in the Disney/ABC tree and they swing great power. The NBA while still profitable is slowing falling off in terms of casual fans. More and more people see the NBA as brats going through the motions. Then they joke around and laugh not only in the timeout but during the game WITH THE OPPOSITE TEAM! The NHL has passionate fans who spend well. The NBA should be thankful for their contract with ESPN/ABC/TNT and the corporate sponsors because I know the NHL fans support their teams far better than the NBA fans.

P.S. The way that teams (Suns, Mavs, Knicks, Nets) and even cities (Mayor Bloomberg of NYC) are whoring themselves out for LeBron James to play for them is sickening!
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Hockey is huge again in Chicago. With the blackhawks making a great run, with young stars like Kane and Toews, Chicago has blackhawk fever. My buddy owns a restraunt tavern and he told me that business when hawks play is through the roof. I think the great play during the olympics by the US and Canada, plus the exciting style of the blackhawks have combined to make hockey the number one winter fan sport in Chicago. My seventeen yr old daughter non sport fan fell in love with hockey watching the US Canada final game, and has watched every blackhawk game since. Go Blackhawks.
 

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The Blackhawks' - Kris Versteeg - has quickly become one of my favorite players.

He is athletic/quick as heck, and his skating and puck-handling is simply marvelous.
 

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mrjohnnynofear said:
The corporate sponsorship and the TV deal are the only things keeping the NBA up. ESPN is in the Disney/ABC tree and they swing great power. The NBA while still profitable is slowing falling off in terms of casual fans. More and more people see the NBA as brats going through the motions. Then they joke around and laugh not only in the timeout but during the game WITH THE OPPOSITE TEAM! The NHL has passionate fans who spend well. The NBA should be thankful for their contract with ESPN/ABC/TNT and the corporate sponsors because I know the NHL fans support their teams far better than the NBA fans.



Yep. The NBA is being propped up by the media and corporations almost as much as the WNBA has been since its inception.
 
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The corporate sponsorship and the TV deal are the only things keeping the NBA up. ESPN is in the Disney/ABC tree and they swing great power. The NBA while still profitable is slowing falling off in terms of casual fans. More and more people see the NBA as brats going through the motions. Then they joke around and laugh not only in the timeout but during the game WITH THE OPPOSITE TEAM! The NHL has passionate fans who spend well. The NBA should be thankful for their contract with ESPN/ABC/TNT and the corporate sponsors because I know the NHL fans support their teams far better than the NBA fans. 
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<div>Yep.  The NBA is being propped up by the media and corporations almost as much as the WNBA has been since its inception.</div>



The NBA is living off Jordan's glory years. He tried to pass the torch to lebron but he dropped it
 

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On Sunday night the NBA finals went up against game 5 of the Stanley Cup finals. The NBA got more than double the viewers that the NHL got. However, a poster at a hockey forum I was looking at who seems to be reliable, said 59% of Nielsen viewers of the NBA were black or Hispanic whereas virtually all the hockey fans are probably white (though Nielsen apparently doesn't have stats for white viewers!) Since I don't live in the US it is hard for me to tell how popular each sport is but it's quite interesting that well over half of all NBA fans (as measured by A.C. Nielsen) are non-white. It also means the NHL is now as popular with whites as the NBA. I doubt that has ever been the case before.Edited by: Matra1
 

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In the 70's and 80's the NHL was more popular than the NBA among Whites and the public in general.

Whites only started to follow the NBA in large numbers because of Bird and the Celtics being so great with so many White American players when every other team was almost all black. The Bird/Magic rivalry started to make the NBA a mainstream sport than Jordan became a crossover star, along with it being easy to gamble on with their point spreads being simple to understand like the NFL's (the NHL and MLB have complicated point spreads to gamble with which hurts their popularity IMO) but the NBA and it's lack of White American stars is beginning to fade, thankfully. Who wants to watch or pay to see a bunch of cocky, unappreciative negroe thugs with piss-poor fundamentals play a sloppy basketball game? Not me!

The last NBA game I watched was Bulls/Jazz finals in the late 90's when both teams had a lot of really good White stars playing for them.
 

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JReb1 said:
In the 70's and 80's the NHL was more popular than the NBA among Whites and the public in general.

Whites only started to follow the NBA in large numbers because of Bird and the Celtics being so great with so many White American players when every other team was almost all black. The Bird/Magic rivalry started to make the NBA a mainstream sport than Jordan became a crossover star, along with it being easy to gamble on with their point spreads being simple to understand like the NFL's (the NHL and MLB have complicated point spreads to gamble with which hurts their popularity IMO) but the NBA and it's lack of White American stars is beginning to fade, thankfully. Who wants to watch or pay to see a bunch of cocky, unappreciative negroe thugs with piss-poor fundamentals play a sloppy basketball game? Not me!

The last NBA game I watched was Bulls/Jazz finals in the late 90's when both teams had a lot of really good White stars playing for them.

Those were some good games between the Bulls and Jazz. The Jazz had guys like Stockton, Hornacek, Foster, and Ostertag and the Bulls had Kukoc, Buechler, Kerr, and Longley.
 
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