Israel did 9/11, ALL THE PROOF IN THE WORLD!!

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Disagree. Jews on any questinaire make "white". We are white. We look white. People are surprised when I say I am Jewish. Why would I not be white? Why would I not be proud of being Jewish either. You can have multiple prides. I have seen a lot Jewish athletes praised on this site with lack of knowing they are Jewish. I can draw a list if needed.





Here are some of the issues, at least the way I see it.

1. Jews are White. In fact, in one of the great ironies of our time, few Jews in this country are "semites," rather they are of ashkenazi (European) descent. Arabs are semitic and are the routine victims of negative stereotyping ("anti-semitism") froma media thatis ultra-sensitivewhen it comes to any negative depictions of Jews.

2. Jews are different from other White groups, becausemost define themselves that way and are brought up that way. Judaism is both an ethnic group and a religion based on ethnicity. Although non-Jews may convert to Judaism few do because Judaism is not a religion that "recruits." Its emphasis is on maintainingethnic purity, witness the many Jewish dating sites and thefrequent exhortations from various rabbis and Jewish notables for Jews to only marry other Jews (exhortations which are not followed by half or more of American Jews btw). There is nothing similar in other White American groups, no Irish dating sites or priests calling for Italians to only marry other Italians, or any calling for whites to only marry whites for that matter. As far as terminology it is easier to refer in many cases, when a distinction is appropriate,to Jews and Whites rather than Jews and non-Jewish Whites, which is Judeo-centric. That doesn't imply that Jews aren't White; it's a matter of semantics and in many cases the term White properly covers everyone including Jews, athletes being a good example.

Jews have survived as a group all these years because they believe in separation and "apartness" from everyone else. They are taught to believe they are distinct, and many passages in the Talmud can accurately be described as preaching a quite crude and extreme form of Jewish superiority over everyone else, who are referred to as goyim, or cattle. I might add that the Jewish religion not only doesn't recruit but is in many ways secretive; very few Christians realize that the Talmud, not the Old Testament, is the main "bible" of Judaism.

Jewish nationalism, Zionism, is quite distinct from all other forms of White nationalism in that it not only doesn't believe in cooperating with other White Nationalisms, but is virulently opposed to them in theory and in practice. It is not difficult to see that just about every anti-white organization and movement in the United States has from its inception been largely Jewish inspired and led. It is also not difficult to see that almost without exception these same Jews andJewish-led groupssupport a completely different set of rules and behaviors for Jews, both within the United States and other countries, but particularly in Israel, which is a racist, apartheid state.

3. Honest discussion and criticism of Jews and Zionism has been kept suppressed all these years through well-organized instant cries of "anti-Semite" and "nazi" any time someone stepped outside the very narrow allowable boundaries of "acceptable" opinion. Those pejoratives still work wonderfully on many Whites, but also are having less effect every day on many others.

4. The vast majority of criticism of "Jews" and Zionists is not aimed at all Jews, or at least shouldn't be, but at Jewish elites, and the Israeli government and its policies. It is the elites, Jewish, Christian, White, black and others, who have the power in this country and focusing elsewhere is only playing into their hands.

5. Most Jews are liberal to the core, but there are also many "average American" middle class type Jews in the U.S. I've run across a numberof Jewsin my life and without exception they have been decent, respectful people, albeit some have also been quite neurotic. Pro-White groups such as American Renaissance actively support and recruit Jews into their cause.

6. There is no political litmus test at Caste Football, never has been, though most people who understand the Caste System generally agree that it is part of a bigger picture and agree on at least the basics of that bigger picture. But what we are united in here is support of White athletes and opposition to the Caste System.

I look at what people post here and judge everyone by the same standard -- what are they contributing to this site? Many, maybe most, don't get involved in the political threads and issues at all. A few post almost exclusively in Happy Hour, which is fine. But what I'm not interested in seeing is those who come here as "morality police" or are seemingly obsessed with pushing a certain viewpoint to the exclusion of just about anything else. I've been in this battle too long to be naive about the many methods that are used to sow dissent and factionalism. Reasonable criticism made in a civilized, "white" fashion is fine; but defining what is "reasonable" is ultimately my decision, along with the input of the moderators and valued posters. I can only state again that this is a site for those who support it and are comfortable with it, and those that aren't comfortable here need to go elsewhere. Edited by: Don Wassall
 

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Don. Although I strongly disagree with your view on Israel, I think this is an excellant post. I don't know if this will help but let me shed some light on the Jewish dating aspect.

There are lots of white cultures that support the dating of their own race, IE. Greeks, Serbians, etc. For me it solves a lot of problems dating a girl that is Jewish for the long term. I would like to raise my children with the same faith I have. I think this is totally normal behavior amongst Christians as well. It makes life simplier to date a Jewish girl. No one has taught be differently. I have dated non Jews and have spoke about marriage with them. In the end love is love. I want to carry on my heritage and my religion through my family.
 

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Don. Although I strongly disagree with your view on Israel, I think this is an excellant post. I don't know if this will help but let me shed some light on the Jewish dating aspect.

There are lots of white cultures that support the dating of their own race, IE. Greeks, Serbians, etc. For me it solves a lot of problems dating a girl that is Jewish for the long term. I would like to raise my children with the same faith I have. I think this is totally normal behavior amongst Christians as well. It makes life simplier to date a Jewish girl. No one has taught be differently. I have dated non Jews and have spoke about marriage with them. In the end love is love. I want to carry on my heritage and my religion through my family.



That's fine, I think that's great if you feel that way. I'd be hypocritical to feel otherwise. But here's an example of the double standards that exist in the U.S. -- you and any other Jew can openly feel that way without fear of criticism or censure. But if Christians or Whites (non-Jewish Whites) openly express the same feelings, they will be attacked and smeared. Yes they can feel that way, but only in a very marginalized way, on sites like this or in a few small circulation publications here and there. If we're all Whites then the same set of rules and standards has to apply to everyone. And when they don't, don't be surprised when Jews are criticized for demanding of others behavior that they don't believe in themselves.
 

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Russian Whites are genetically 6 times closer to Germans than they are to Russian Jews.
 

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Don Wassall said:
dbwave said:
Don. Although I strongly disagree with your view on Israel, I think this is an excellant post. I don't know if this will help but let me shed some light on the Jewish dating aspect. There are lots of white cultures that support the dating of their own race, IE. Greeks, Serbians, etc. For me it solves a lot of problems dating a girl that is Jewish for the long term. I would like to raise my children with the same faith I have. I think this is totally normal behavior amongst Christians as well. It makes life simplier to date a Jewish girl. No one has taught be differently. I have dated non Jews and have spoke about marriage with them. In the end love is love. I want to carry on my heritage and my religion through my family.
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<div>That's fine, I think that's great if you feel that way.  I'd be hypocritical to feel otherwise. But here's an example of the double standards that exist in the U.S. -- you and any other Jew can openly feel that way without fear of criticism or censure.  But if Christians or Whites (non-Jewish Whites) openly express the same feelings, they will be attacked and smeared.  Yes they can feel that way, but only in a very marginalized way, on sites like this or in a few small circulation publications here and there.  If we're all Whites then the same set of rules and standards has to apply to everyone.  And when they don't, don't be surprised when Jews are criticized for demanding of others behavior that they don't believe in themselves.</div>

I was not aware that Christians were critized for trying to "keep the faith". There are Christian dating sites as well. I respect my Christian brothers.....I would hope the main stream does as well. There are always bad apples in every race though. There are always alternative media sources that don't represent the populus as well.

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dbwave said:
Disagree. Jews on any questinaire make "white". We are white. We look white. People are surprised when I say I am Jewish. Why would I not be white?

Matters not what is marked on a questionnaire. For thousands of years jews have made it very clear that they are NOT the same as goyim. The writings of the the most respected jewish religious scholars make the point repeatedly.

Rabbi Grammas wrote a book a few a years ago about the superiority of the jew over the rest of creation. He said jews are a different -species - good, gentiles entirely evil etc.

If Grammas filled out a census questionnaire he would probably check the box indicating white. Sure, he may look white, but he certainly believes he is something entirely different.

The Orthodox, Hassidim, Lubavitchers all hold the same views. The greatest rabbinical scholars hold the same view. The MOST revered, important of them all was Moshe Ben Maimon. Search the internet for many of his quotes.
 

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I have been reading this thread with great interest and have decided to steer clear. However, I would like to say that when it comes to the United States and Israel's relationship, I can't help but be reminded of Jefferson's famous quote. "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." If the USA practiced this lost American principal, this nation and its citizens would be much better off.
 

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I have been reading this thread with great interest and have decided to steer clear. However, I would like to say that when it comes to the United States and Israel's relationship, I can't help but be reminded of Jefferson's famous quote. "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." If the USA practiced this lost American principal, this nation and its citizens would be much better off.

Yep. That is what matters. Arguing about 9/11 or the Holocaust clearly isn't constructive, although for some it's a nice route to understanding zionism. For others, the caste system is enough proof of this detrimental source of subversion in society, along with many of the examples of double standards and affirmative action in today's world.

The caste system was my route to understanding the Zionists. We can all agree that cultural marxism based on Zinoist ideals causes the majority of the caste system in sports, right?
 

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Wow! Interesting thread. I'm also steering clear but I do have a question; is Zionism incompatible with White nationalism?
 

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StarWars said:
We can all agree that cultural marxism based on Zinoist ideals causes the majority of the caste system in sports, right?
There is a certain percentage of the caste system that is fed by good old-fashioned bleeding heart liberalism; rooting for the underdog, feeling sorry for those who have fewer options. After Keith Lincoln's post last year that said not a single American black person had been awarded a doctorate in a "hard" sciences in 2007(?), I kind of fall into that category now.

Also, StarWars, thanks for the clarification on the earlier post as well. Good insights.
And how goes track this spring?
 

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StarWars said:
Freethinker said:
I have been reading this thread with great interest and have decided to steer clear. However, I would like to say that when it comes to the United States and Israel's relationship, I can't help but be reminded of Jefferson's famous quote. "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." If the USA practiced this lost American principal, this nation and its citizens would be much better off.

Yep. That is what matters. Arguing about 9/11 or the Holocaust clearly isn't constructive, although for some it's a nice route to understanding zionism. For others, the caste system is enough proof of this detrimental source of subversion in society, along with many of the examples of double standards and affirmative action in today's world.

The caste system was my route to understanding the Zionists. We can all agree that cultural marxism based on Zinoist ideals causes the majority of the caste system in sports, right?

To answer that I would say in a short answer, yes. Don has correctly argued that the caste system in sports and the larger political agenda are strongly tied together. That is why political discussion like this one can be highly constructive as long as those participating in it remain articulate, respectful and a bit open minded to different opinions. After all, being open minded and discussing a "taboo" topic is what brought all of us to this site in the first place.

In regards to the tread topic, I have my opinion on the issue but until all the facts are in and thoroughly examined, none of us can say with 100% certainty what happened on that day. Now from what I've heard, most polls indicate that a majority of Americans do not believe the official 9/11 report, so I don't think discussions like this will scare off moderates or potential new members. After all, my "awakening" began with 9/11 truth, which lead to learning about the powers that be and the true political system and lastly I was ready to understand the caste system after being blind to it most of my life. Everyone's path is different I guess.

So gentlemen, I look forward to reading more discussions like this in the future.
 

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I'm surprised that people here on CF (Americans, I assume) mockmy making reference to the notorious "dancing Israelis", trying to turnit all into a joke.

*This is an incident verified by eyewitnesses and police investigation. It was covered everywhere--in all varieties of newsources, from the internet to "respectable" print and TV media.* Take your pick.

3 of the 5 Israeli participants *have admitted *on israeli tv that theywere sent there "to document the days events". See the link above. They clearly had advance knowledge of what was about to happen.

*the 5israelis have been verified as celebrating the destruction of the twin towers and therefore celebrating the deaths of 3,000 innocent people (most of them americans).*

americans should be burning with a righteous indignation against (1) those who celebrate an event that wrought the death of 3000 innocents, and (2) the government that sent these operatives on their mission to film 9/11.
 

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dbwave said:
Disagree. Jews on any questinaire make "white". We are white. We look white. People are surprised when I say I am Jewish. Why would I not be white?

Matters not what is marked on a questionnaire. For thousands of years jews have made it very clear that they are NOT the same as goyim. The writings of the the most respected jewish religious scholars make the point repeatedly.

Rabbi Grammas wrote a book a few a years ago about the superiority of the jew over the rest of creation. He said jews are a different -species - good, gentiles entirely evil etc.

If Grammas filled out a census questionnaire he would probably check the box indicating white. Sure, he may look white, but he certainly believes he is something entirely different.

The Orthodox, Hassidim, Lubavitchers all hold the same views. The greatest rabbinical scholars hold the same view. The MOST revered, important of them all was Moshe Ben Maimon. Search the internet for many of his quotes.

Well I guess there are fantatics in ever race. I don't buy into that theory at all and nor does anyone I know. Don't judge a people on its token loonies.
 

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dbwave said:
Bart said:
dbwave said:
Disagree. Jews on any questinaire make "white". We are white. We look white. People are surprised when I say I am Jewish. Why would I not be white?

Matters not what is marked on a questionnaire. For thousands of years jews have made it very clear that they are NOT the same as goyim. The writings of the the most respected jewish religious scholars make the point repeatedly.

Rabbi Grammas wrote a book a few a years ago about the superiority of the jew over the rest of creation. He said jews are a different -species - good, gentiles entirely evil etc.

If Grammas filled out a census questionnaire he would probably check the box indicating white. Sure, he may look white, but he certainly believes he is something entirely different.

The Orthodox, Hassidim, Lubavitchers all hold the same views. The greatest rabbinical scholars hold the same view. The MOST revered, important of them all was Moshe Ben Maimon. Search the internet for many of his quotes.

Well I guess there are fantatics in ever race. I don't buy into that theory at all and nor does anyone I know. Don't judge a people on its token loonies.

The one view I disagree with here outright is the view that a Jew cannot be white. If they really are a caucasian Jew, then it comes down to the individual to decide if they are white. Many people here put their race over their religion, so I see no reason why this should not apply to Jews also, no matter what some extremist Rabbi says.
 

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Menelik said:
Wow! Interesting thread. I'm also steering clear but I do have a question; is Zionism incompatible with White nationalism?

I have heard Jewish Zionists claim they want gentiles to inhabit America, and Jews to have their own state in Israel. These Jews seem pretty white, but are Zionists.

I think the nature of Jews in positions of power, whether communism, socialism, or Zionism, is to hate white males deep down.
 

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So not true. I have been there. Quite frankly I was shocked when I started reading these post. The Israelis I met including my relatives love America and are grateful for what she does for Israel. I think the Israel haters on this site get caught into alternative media, because I have been there, have relatives there and have never hear anything remotely like the stuff I am hearing here.

And I just read that Obama's approval rating in Israel is down to 8 percent! This I love.

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dbwave said:
Don Wassall said:
dbwave said:
Don. Although I strongly disagree with your view on Israel, I think this is an excellant post. I don't know if this will help but let me shed some light on the Jewish dating aspect. There are lots of white cultures that support the dating of their own race, IE. Greeks, Serbians, etc. For me it solves a lot of problems dating a girl that is Jewish for the long term. I would like to raise my children with the same faith I have. I think this is totally normal behavior amongst Christians as well. It makes life simplier to date a Jewish girl. No one has taught be differently. I have dated non Jews and have spoke about marriage with them. In the end love is love. I want to carry on my heritage and my religion through my family.
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<div>That's fine, I think that's great if you feel that way.  I'd be hypocritical to feel otherwise. But here's an example of the double standards that exist in the U.S. -- you and any other Jew can openly feel that way without fear of criticism or censure.  But if Christians or Whites (non-Jewish Whites) openly express the same feelings, they will be attacked and smeared.  Yes they can feel that way, but only in a very marginalized way, on sites like this or in a few small circulation publications here and there.  If we're all Whites then the same set of rules and standards has to apply to everyone.  And when they don't, don't be surprised when Jews are criticized for demanding of others behavior that they don't believe in themselves.</div>

I was not aware that Christians were critized for trying to "keep the faith". There are Christian dating sites as well. I respect my Christian brothers.....I would hope the main stream does as well. There are always bad apples in every race though. There are always alternative media sources that don't represent the populus as well.

Much respect,
DBWAVE

Let's not be coy here. Jewish dating websites and the like as a written or unwritten rule would not welcome Jews like Sammy Davis Jr. It's racial. No critism is ever rendered. Christian sites who do not welcome people of all color would be considered hate groups by Jewish groups like the ADL SPLC etc. Therein lies the hypocrisy Don was clearly speaking of. Now are you aware?
 

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dbwave,

Good morning sir, Let me rimind you of the Lavon affair and the USS Liberty, Johnathan Pollard, etc. Those incidents weren't about anything that was said. Those were about anti-American actions carried out by zionists.

Take care Sir and have a good day.

Tom Iron...
 

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dbwave said:
So not true. I have been there. Quite frankly I was shocked when I started reading these post. The Israelis I met including my relatives love America and are grateful for what she does for Israel. I think the Israel haters on this site get caught into alternative media, because I have been there, have relatives there and have never hear anything remotely like the stuff I am hearing here.

And I just read that Obama's approval rating in Israel is down to 8 percent! This I love.

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DBWave, I don't think it's the regular residents of Israel that some CF'ers take issue with. It's the Zionist/Globalist leadership...and leftist jews who embrace the Talmud (more than the Torah/Pentuach).

My issue is with the Zionist shills here in the U.S. who're puppets of AIPAC, and place Zionist causes on par with American ones (priority wise). I personally just wish we'd follow Thomas Jefferson's sage advise (on avoiding foreign entanglements), and extract ALL U.S. troops from the Middle East. We need to quit "policing" the world & let Israel & the Muhamedan countries take care of themselves. However, since most on "Crapitol sHill" are puppets of the Globalist Elite, that won't happen.
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Well I guess there are fantatics in ever race. I don't buy into that theory at all and nor does anyone I know. Don't judge a people on its token loonies.

Ha ha! Token loonies? Sorry, but those views are basic in Talmudic Judaism.Been that way for thousands of years.It has only been in the last century that Reform Judaism has deviated from the norm - to a degree.Who do you think rules Israel?You'll find the Rabbinical Councils and Chief Rabbis are cut from the same cloth.

It's incredibly ignorant or disingenuous to say men like Moshe Ben Maimon are token loons. Maimon affectionately known as the Rambam is revered and highly esteemed for his codfication of Talmudic law. It's called the Mishne Torah.

If anyone is genuinely interested in the subject I would suggest searching the internet from all angles while it is still available for our use.

Interesting site. His disclaimer makes it clear he does not hold racist views.

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

Truth about the Talmud: Racist, Rabbinic Hate Literature

by Michael Hoffman, foremost scholar of Judaism in the English-speaking world
Edited by: Bart
 

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do some research on the indigenous land of the Ashkenazim. it's not europe. they are not white.
 

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Kaptain Poop said:
dbwave said:
Don Wassall said:
dbwave said:
Don. Although I strongly disagree with your view on Israel, I think this is an excellant post. I don't know if this will help but let me shed some light on the Jewish dating aspect. There are lots of white cultures that support the dating of their own race, IE. Greeks, Serbians, etc. For me it solves a lot of problems dating a girl that is Jewish for the long term. I would like to raise my children with the same faith I have. I think this is totally normal behavior amongst Christians as well. It makes life simplier to date a Jewish girl. No one has taught be differently. I have dated non Jews and have spoke about marriage with them. In the end love is love. I want to carry on my heritage and my religion through my family.
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<div>That's fine, I think that's great if you feel that way.  I'd be hypocritical to feel otherwise. But here's an example of the double standards that exist in the U.S. -- you and any other Jew can openly feel that way without fear of criticism or censure.  But if Christians or Whites (non-Jewish Whites) openly express the same feelings, they will be attacked and smeared.  Yes they can feel that way, but only in a very marginalized way, on sites like this or in a few small circulation publications here and there.  If we're all Whites then the same set of rules and standards has to apply to everyone.  And when they don't, don't be surprised when Jews are criticized for demanding of others behavior that they don't believe in themselves.</div>

I was not aware that Christians were critized for trying to "keep the faith". There are Christian dating sites as well. I respect my Christian brothers.....I would hope the main stream does as well. There are always bad apples in every race though. There are always alternative media sources that don't represent the populus as well.

Much respect,
DBWAVE

Let's not be coy here. Jewish dating websites and the like as a written or unwritten rule would not welcome Jews like Sammy Davis Jr. It's racial. No critism is ever rendered. Christian sites who do not welcome people of all color would be considered hate groups by Jewish groups like the ADL SPLC etc. Therein lies the hypocrisy Don was clearly speaking of. Now are you aware?

No. Please do not sterotype Jews because a few belong to these liberal organization. There are Christians on them too. I don't believe in any of their beliefs nor would I sterotype my Christian brothers because some belong.
 

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Tom Iron said:
dbwave,

Good morning sir, Let me rimind you of the Lavon affair and the USS Liberty, Johnathan Pollard, etc. Those incidents weren't about anything that was said. Those were about anti-American actions carried out by zionists.

Take care Sir and have a good day.

Tom Iron...

Tom. I will not debate you. You are for the destruction of Israel period. Maybe you should look in the mirror and just admit you are antisemintic and hide the BS.

Good Luck Sir. Israel will outlive you. Deal with it.
 

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DixieDestroyer said:
dbwave said:
So not true. I have been there. Quite frankly I was shocked when I started reading these post. The Israelis I met including my relatives love America and are grateful for what she does for Israel. I think the Israel haters on this site get caught into alternative media, because I have been there, have relatives there and have never hear anything remotely like the stuff I am hearing here.

And I just read that Obama's approval rating in Israel is down to 8 percent! This I love.

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DBWave, I don't think it's the regular residents of Israel that some CF'ers take issue with. It's the Zionist/Globalist leadership...and leftist jews who embrace the Talmud (more than the Torah/Pentuach).

My issue is with the Zionist shills here in the U.S. who're puppets of AIPAC, and place Zionist causes on par with American ones (priority wise). I personally just wish we'd follow Thomas Jefferson's sage advise (on avoiding foreign entanglements), and extract ALL U.S. troops from the Middle East. We need to quit "policing" the world & let Israel & the Muhamedan countries take care of themselves. However, since most on "Crapitol sHill" are puppets of the Globalist Elite, that won't happen.
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The US engages in middle east politics for one simple reason. Oil. We give Israel the most aid but Egypt is second.
 

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Bart said:
dbwave said:
Well I guess there are fantatics in ever race. I don't buy into that theory at all and nor does anyone I know. Don't judge a people on its token loonies.

Ha ha! Token loonies? Sorry, but those views are basic in Talmudic Judaism.Been that way for thousands of years.It has only been in the last century that Reform Judaism has deviated from the norm - to a degree.Who do you think rules Israel?You'll find the Rabbinical Councils and Chief Rabbis are cut from the same cloth.

It's incredibly ignorant or disingenuous to say men like Moshe Ben Maimon are token loons. Maimon affectionately known as the Rambam is revered and highly esteemed for his codfication of Talmudic law. It's called the Mishne Torah.

If anyone is genuinely interested in the subject I would suggest searching the internet from all angles while it is still available for our use.

Interesting site. His disclaimer makes it clear he does not hold racist views.

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

Truth about the Talmud: Racist, Rabbinic Hate Literature

by Michael Hoffman, foremost scholar of Judaism in the English-speaking world

Bart.Good points however that is not the majority of Israel. Christians have their far right too. This sect is an influence on the goverment as the far right is on ours. Neither dictate the direction of the country.

I am sorry, but I wish our country, whcih I love, would be tough on immigration, non tolerant on terrorism and brutally strong on home land security. Kind of like how Israel conducts her affairs.

Much respect,
DBWAVE
 
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