White Runningbacks Lead The Way

Oops sorry guys I see theres already a Perez blog.

Afflete Tony Jones from Don Bosco here in Jersey is going to Colorado. He had lots of offers from schools like Boston College despite being only 5'8 and 180lbs. That 180lbs is a very generous number because I've seen this midget and he can't weight more than 160 lbs. Dillon Romain got overlooked by everyone despite being much bigger and faster.

Great research Riddlewire! You are definitely one of our best, if not the best recruiting researcher at CF.

The biggest obstacle we actually face IMO is the media and DWFs. I have had utter ignorant buffoons respond to me with stuff like "well unless he is running a 4.3 then he isn't a RB". The typical NFL starter only runs around a 4.5 for God's sake and some buffoons think 4.5 or even 4.4 is too slow to start at RB in the FBS.

There are basically only 3 basic elements of criteria to figure out if these high school kids deserve a D1 offer. First is production, then you'd have to check their measurables and highlight film. It's really a three pronged argument. When I've looked at CaucasianRivals.com and BrownieScout.com I have noticed black RBs and WRs who run around a 4.8 in the 40 who get FBS offers if they are productive. And they usually aren't even state leading rushers of a huge state like Texas or Florida.

BTW WA33, Joe Martinek was only offered one scholarship to stay at RB by Vanderbilt. Rutgers and Florida International offered him, but they recruited him as a safety originally

A couple NFL players that we should note from last years NFL combine- who now get playing time at the highest level. Knowshon Moreno ran a 4.63 at the NFL combine, Shonn Greene ran a 4.72 and Kahil Bell got an NFL combine invite despite coming off knee surgury as a junior and running for 2.8 YPC and less than 400 rush yards as a senior. He ran a mere 4.76 at the combine. And who signed him...you guessed it Jerry Bungholo and Hatie Smith. Jake Sharp had a better senior season although he was injured, he had a better overall FBS career and could run circles around Kahil Bell at the combine, but yeah...he won't be there.

ToughJ, Martinek is so fast and such a good running back that offering him a scholarship to play safety should be a crime. Also in regards to Moreno one site I checked said that he had only a 25 inch vertical. Was that a typo or what?

If someone could find estimated 40 times and size/weight of some of those state leading rushers and post them on Scout.com along with the highlights it would be great. Then we could compare them to 2 less productive players in each state who are less athletic, but more afroletic with offers and we'd be able to punch a hole right through that Marxist site BrownieScout.com's false pretense that they're fair. They might claim the afrolete has better highlights, but someone with football knowledge could easily break down the film and counter their argument. If someone does the first part, I'd be glad to do the film breakdown part of comparing the players.

ToughJ, also if this kid Tony Jones ever makes it to the NFL it will be the biggest crime ever.

whiteathlete33 said:

ToughJ, Martinek is so fast and such a good running back that offering him a scholarship to play safety should be a crime.  Also in regards to Moreno one site I checked said that he had only a 25 inch vertical.  Was that a typo or what?

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It's got to be a typo because he measured 35.5 inches at the NFL combine in the vertical leap according to NFLdraftscout. The information on Hillis' profile is incorrect by my research. Hillis ran a 4.58 according to every site I checked a few days after the combine and it was also reported as that by the NFLnetwork. NFLdraftscout didn't change Hillis 40 until he was already getting playing time for the Denver Broncos. Whether the new 40 time they list of 4.64 is true or not I don't trust them. The 40 times of black skill players have been being reported as MUCH FASTER on NFLdraftscout recently than the original times from the NFL network.

All vertical leaps were reported to be measured incorrectly at the NFL combine in 2008 as well so the players Pro Days should be used instead that year to figure out their vertical. Hillis' vertical was 35 inches at his Pro Day and 30.5 inches at the combine.

I figured it could have been a type but Moreno still ran a very slow 4.6 time for such an "explosive athlete." His carry average was way below 4 yards at 3.8.

Tony Jones 5'8 178 pounds. 4.56 40 yard dash. 72 carries 487 yards 6.7 ypc.

Edit: those are his 07 stats
here are the newer stats I found
41 carries 287 yards 6.6 ypc, it says from 08-09 and this year he went over 1000 and had over 7 ypc.

that really makes me pissed off, not just about Dillon Romain, close to two decades ago a close relative of mine was the same size 5'8 a little over 180, ran in the 4.5 range, he was very quick and had a very explosive initial burst, if he had a crease he was very hard to catch in the 10 to 30 yard range. He ran for over 900 yards avged 10 ypc his senior season (he had to split carries, mainly with a guy that put up around 500 yards with slightly more carries), also was a good kick returner who usually would get the ball at least to the 40 yard line, played safety and had 4 interceptions and 2 forced fumbles, was second on his team in tackles. I wish we still had footage of him, but it got ruined in Katrina, but I did recently find some newspaper clippings of him, one of the articles his coach calls him the most explosive athlete on the team and in another he says "hes not the best athlete but makes up with for it with his football smarts". I guess caste speak hasn't changed since the early 90's.

He had a hard time just getting an opportunity to walk on at Nicholls st which is a small 1aa program. They said it was because of his size, which at the time I believed even though he didn't look much different in size than the other tailbacks. This kid Jones has several division 1 scholarship offers being the around the same size and putting up lower ypc. Edited by: dwid

Tony Jones is not 178 lbs. That is a blown up number. He is closer to 160.

It wouldn't surprise me if Jones was 160

Great mention of Kahlil Bell ToughJ.Riggins, proof that lesser talented affletes get more opportunities than more talented White players.

Kahlil Bell getting a combine invite, running in the 4.7 range and still getting an opportunity to run in the NFL is ridiculous, especially with Jake Sharp not getting an invite

Here is Bell's amazing profile on nfl.com

"Although Bell is a strong one-cut back with loads of potential, he had an injury-riddled and generally ineffective career with the Bruins. He played in only 25 games over the past three seasons, starting 14, because of a suspension (2006), torn right ACL (2007) and high ankle sprain (2008). As a senior, he averaged 2.8 yards per carry playing hurt behind a young, constantly rotating offensive line. His 10 catches for 65 yards did not showcase his talents, either. If his legs are healthy and his mind is right, teams running a zone-blocking scheme could find him to be a great bargain as a late pick or free agent. Had an arm span of 31 1/2 inches and a hand span of 10 1/4 inches at the combine."Edited by: dwid

I work really hard to make sure that I have all the available information about any topic I post. So it ticks me off when I discover that my posts are based on incomplete data. Thanks to our unknown friend Jwall7007, I've discovered yet another state leader for 2009. Caleb Schaffitzel led Missouri with 2,711 yards and 40TD. He also had 8,500 career yards and is the all time Missouri TD leader with 119. Of course, he couldn't get a D1A scholarship. He has recently committed to Missouri State, presumably to play Safety . Interestingly, he already had a thread here on CF. However, the thread was posted by a newbie in non-standard format, so I never noticed it.
With Caleb's inclusion, that means that white runningbacks were the leading rushers in the majority of U.S. States (26). I have updated the original post (including the link for Caleb's highlights), and I'm going to repeat the list here, since this topic is now on the third page.

alaska - Greg Ghramm, 1,115yds 12TD, JR
connecticut - Max Delorenzo, 2,154yds 26TD, JR
georgia - Nile Knapp, 2,192yds 31TD, no known offers
idaho - Devin Droghei, 1,553yds 15TD, no known offers
illinois - TJ Stinde, 3,325yds 46TD, no known offers
kansas - Jorden Oden, 2,559yds 38TD, no known offers
kentucky - Rees MacShara, 3,073yds 42TD, no known offers
maine - Bill Wetherbee, 1,886yds 30TD, no known offers
maryland - Greg Goodwin, 2,564yds 33TD, no known offers
massachusetts - Connor Ressel, 1,924yds 30TD, no known offers
missouri - Caleb Schaffitzel, 2,711yds 40TD, no known offers
montana - Chad Price, 1,560yds 16TD, no known offers
nebraska - Derek Blessing, 1,368yds 13TD, no known offers
new hampshire - Kevin Brady, 1,870yds 23TD, no known offers
north dakota - Jason Hagen, 1,117yds 16TD, no known offers
ohio - Ricky Buckler, 2,269yds 32TD, no known offers
oklahoma - Zack Langer, 2,346yds 38TD, no known offers
oregon - Coulter Mastenbroek, 2,525yds 36TD, no known offers
rhode island - Nicholas Keeling, 1,633yds 14TD, no known offers
south carolina - Parker Headley, 2,614yds 27TD, no known offers
south dakota - Jayd Knodell, 1,450yds 15TD, no known offers
utah - Dylan Chynoweth, 2,261yds 34TD, Service Academy offers only
vermont - Jesse Burke, 1,149yds 11TD, JR
virginia - David Williams, 2,548yds 23TD, no known offers
washington - Dylen Heaward, 2,086yds 34TD, no known offers
wisconsin - Dillon Bean, 2,042yds 13TD, JR
wyoming - Shawn Straub, 1,992yds 31TD, JR

Riddlewire how did you find all this information? Are the rushing leaders for each state listed in Rivals?

Maxpreps is the starting point. After that, I go to local news sources (online newspapers and local tv station websites). Occasionally, if I've got a handful of players that I know were all in the top ten, I can look at their high school websites for 'hometown praise' types of articles that can confirm statistics and records. Even that isn't always enough, though. It's very frustrating that there's no centralized database for high school football statisitcs. All 11-man teams across the country play in very rigidly defined classifications. The classifying bodies in each state should have some means of compiling and publishing statistics. Of course, since this is high school football we're talking about, statistical observations are the responsibilities of the individual coaching staffs. And they're under no obligation to report their findings to any media outlet. Arkansas is one of the worst states for this. There are high school teams that are located within 30 minutes of my house, but if I didn't listen to the radio on friday nights, I'd never have any way of finding out the statistics from their games. They seldom appear in the larger state newspapers. And the regional tv sports recaps aren't in the habit of giving out game stats (not that the coaches would provide them, anyway).
It's less than an inexact science. And it can take an entire afternoon just to find one number. That's why I wish we could get more members who were interested in high school football. Ideally, we'd have two CF members from every state. The veracity of our information and arguments is greatly enhanced by local sources.

Thanks for the info Riddlewire! The reason I asked is because I wasn't able to find anything.
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I feel your pain Riddlewire. Just trying to keep up with all of the skill players in my state (Texas) is a huge task. That is why I tend to only focus on the larger classifications because they are located near the cities where the local newspapers post their stats.

Good job!!

This thread really is the caste system in a nutshell. It is between highchool and D1 football that the majority of white talent is thrown away for black athletes with the reason of "upside." So many teams like Georgia Tech or Miami start almost all blacks in a 13% black country, and they are not called racist. Yet if I sported an all white team in a majority white country in a sport whites really excell at (and would excell more at with different rules), I would be the most racist coach in history. Check that, most racist National Champion in history.

Not only has Conor Ressel not been posted on recruiting sites, he has received no college offers from football programs despite leading Div. 1A MA. in touchdowns, rushing yards, named All Scholastic by Boston Herald and Boston Globe as well as Player of the Year and First String All State Team - outstanding runningback who also boasts a 93% average with straight A's in 1st term of senior year and, yes, he is white.

Just thought I'd let you all know. Zack Langer was offered a full ride at the University of Tulsa back in November, and has interest from O.U., O.S.U., Stanford, Northwestern and several other colleges. So I guess that blows a hole in your theory.

TROJAN3Z3 said:

Just thought I'd let you all know. Zack Langer was offered a full ride at the University of Tulsa back in November, and has interest from O.U., O.S.U., Stanford, Northwestern and several other colleges. So I guess that blows a hole in your theory.

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Please, explain this "theory" that you're referencing.

Riddlewire it looks like Brutal is back for another round!!

TROJAN3Z3 said:

Just thought I'd let you all know. Zack Langer was offered a full ride at the University of Tulsa back in November, and has interest from O.U., O.S.U., Stanford, Northwestern and several other colleges. So I guess that blows a hole in your theory.

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Although this fellow is just a troll and a baiter, it would indeed be good news if this could be verified. I can't find anything to confirm this on any site. Here is the Scout Tulsa insider, nothing. CaucasianRivals, nothing.
Zack Langer is a good player to follow, since if he doesn't get a big scholarship from a major D1, it would really illustrate the caste system. None of the caste-ites arguments can apply. He dominates while playing in Oklahoma's top high school division, on a storied program.

Even if what he said were true, how does one kid out of 26 state rushing leaders getting an offer from TULSA of all places put a hole in anything? If he does has interest from any of those schools the only probable ones are Stanford and Northwestern. There a few White rbs that get offers, but usually get switched to another position like safety or fullback. For every Toby Gerhart there are tons of kids who are deserving that don't get a chance to play halfback at the next level, if Toby chose USC hed be a linebacker, and he didnt just lead his state (CA) in rushing, he broke the record by over a thousand yards.Edited by: dwid

dwid said:

Even if what he said were true, how does one kid out of 26 state rushing leaders getting an offer from TULSA of all places put a hole in anything? If he does has interest from any of those schools the only probable ones are Stanford and Northwestern. There a few White rbs that get offers, but usually get switched to another position like safety or fullback. For every Toby Gerhart there are tons of kids who are deserving that don't get a chance to play halfback at the next level, if Toby choseUSC hed be a linebacker, and he didnt just lead his state (CA) in rushing, he broke the record by over a thousand yards.

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You are correct on that dwid. We never said that all white kids get screwed but many do. There is too much evidence to deny this fact. Even talented guys like Gerhart who dominate in college at running back are considered fullbacks by some of these supposed "experts."

whiteathlete33 said:

dwid said:

Even if what he said were true, how does one kid out of 26 state rushing leaders getting an offer from TULSA of all places put a hole in anything? If he does has interest from any of those schools the only probable ones are Stanford and Northwestern. There a few White rbs that get offers, but usually get switched to another position like safety or fullback. For every Toby Gerhart there are tons of kids who are deserving that don't get a chance to play halfback at the next level, if Toby choseUSC hed be a linebacker, and he didnt just lead his state (CA) in rushing, he broke the record by over a thousand yards.

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You are correct on that dwid. We never said that all white kids get screwed but many do. There is too much evidence to deny this fact. Even talented guys like Gerhart who dominate in college at running back are considered fullbacks by some of these supposed "experts."

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Exactly you guys are 100% right. Try harder next time Troll.