TOBY GERHART FOR HEISMAN VOTE EVERY DAY!

Suh had 161 first-place votes
Tebow had 43 first-place votes

I found that ridiculous! Tebow and "his team" had an excellent season.

What happened in the last few weeks (via the media) was that "Tebow was thrown under the bus and we had endless Suh-worship." So, yesterday wasn't a surprise, but take Tebow off of Florida and they wouldn't of had ONLY 1 loss.

Deadlift said:

Suh had 161 first-place votes
Tebow had 43 first-place votes

I found that ridiculous! Tebow and "his team" had an excellent season.

What happened in the last few weeks (via the media) was that "Tebow was thrown under the bus and we had endless Suh-worship." So, yesterday wasn't a surprise, but take Tebow off of Florida and they wouldn't of had ONLY 1 loss.

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I did too. I will never argue against defense especially in the PROS, but College football is about Offense. The winners of the last 10 BCS Championship games have combined for an average of 30.1 points per game. There was a definite push for Suh in the final couple of weeks to be a serious contender for the Heisman even though he didn't account for one single point all year and played for a team that would have been helped by more OFFENSE instead of defense. Even the ridiculous he almost single- handedly kept Texas out of the BCS national championship stuff coming from ESPN was pretty laughable considering that Texas is in the national championship game and Nebraska had to settle for nothing but field goals. So who's defense again did the job? The reasoning was that they didn't want just three likely high profile white candidates in Toby, McCoy and Tebow and one black in Ingram, with Tebow and Ingram to split the SEC vote, and McCoy or Toby to reap the benefit. The script was too perfect not to elevate Ingram because Alabama has never had a Heisman winner and is number one in the nation. So they went into ultra hype mode for Ingram and Suh, hoping for Suh to split the front runners vote for the Non SEC so that the worlds greatest afflete propaganda can do its job along with the guilt already described in this thread about "You cant give the whites all the awards and leave the poor little black boys out". Yet, Toby still almost won despite media dirty tricks, so good for him. Edited by: Bear Backer

dwid said:

bigunreal you couldnt be more wrong about Toby. Just because he has a nice smile doesnt mean anything, cant judge a book by its cover (well at least in Toby's case). If you have read any of his interviews you will see he is nothing of the submissive type. He gets really pissed off about people questioning his top end speed and has openly talked about the discrimination about him being a White halfback, and has always insisted to people that he is a halfback and not a fullback. He had the chance to go to many higher profile schools such as USC or Ole Miss, but they wanted him at fullback. So he said FU and went to a Stanford team that was 1-11. If anyone is to confront the Caste system, it would be Toby. If the NFL tries to screw him over hes going to do the same thing he did to USC and tell them to f off, he has other things to fall back on. He wont accept it and his dad wont let him accept it.

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Nice points. I think he will behave the same way at the next level. Toby's old man knows all about the caste system, so Toby knows about it as well. Unlike many other white footballers, he has options. Let's remember, the cultural marxists will use the very same arguments to belittle Toby as they have against a multitude of other great white football players. Toby will NOT get the benefit of the doubt in the NFL. We shall see how far down the ladder he goes in the draft. If he's a 3rd rounder or lower, I think he'll bail if he can. He's not stupid or passive. If he get's on a team and they try using him as a blocking dummy, I think he also bail if he can. If he gets a really lucrative offer from MLB before the draft, say a couple million dollars, he will forego the NFL and take the money and baseball opportunity and run with it. Again, he knows what he's up against. Remember, big college football tried to turn him into a blocking dummy for some chocolete already and he balked. Why should he not do the same in the NFL?

This has to be the best scouting report I have read on Toby. http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/Toby-Gerhart.html

Mike Alstott had nearly 1,000 yards as a FB and as the backup RB to Dunn in 1999. When Mike was a free agent soon after there wasn't a single team was willing to give Mike a chance as the starting RB (only as a FB) even though he was so successful and popular in the few games he got to start so he just resigned to be the FB with the Bucs. Mike had 4.6 speed and Bettis was no quicker, yet not one team was willing to take a chance on him as the starting RB even though he was being compared to Bettis. I have serious doubts that Toby will be given any more of a chance than Alstott was, I hope I'm wrong.

IMO it will take a brave owner and coach who's willing to buck the system to ever have a white RB again as the featured back (no matter how talented the white RB is) and the white RB can't have an off game because they media will be discrediting them all for their gall, forcing the white RB to either play FB or not at all.

I know I'm getting to this a little late, but it's been a crazy weekend. I enjoyed watching the Heisman ceremony up until the announcement. It was cool seeing Tebow and McCoy having lunch together. Gerhart's spot giving the campus tour was really cool. How funny was it that Toby's teammates changed the nameplate on his locker to "Tebow/Gerhart?" I could tell that when they interviewed him with Mark Ingram live that he was really nervous, obviously thinking he had a chance to get the trophy. And unlike some opinions here like "I was right, he never had a chance," Toby in fact did have a chance and only a few ballots filled out differently would have given him the Heisman. Some caste whore on ESPN didn't even have Toby in his top 3.

Anyway, when the announcement was about the come my heart felt like it was going to beat out of my chest. The speaker said it was "the closest ever" before giving the name, which confirmed my beliefs that it would come down the wire. Man did I ever feel let down when they said Ingram. To give Ingram credit though, he doesn't seem like the typical thug and seems like a soft-spoken guy himself. He said he likes watching Family Guy and looking at the stars, spotting the Big Dipper in his segment. Two things I enjoy myself.

I was annoyed at the black Heisman winners saying things like "Welcome to the club brotha!" This decade has been good in that the majority of Heisman winners have been white for the first time since the 1960s.

The thing is that Toby truly did have a chance, in spite of all the articles that we posted on this site that said things like "While he won't win, he should." I believe this served as a self-fulfilling prophesy that swayed some of the votes. Remember, everything that we say and do echoes in eternity. Out of the 900 plus voters, maybe some wanted to vote for Gerhart but thought they were "throwing it away" by voting for Gerhart. That proved costly as we saw the razor tight margin.

I'm a true believer in that everything happens for a reason. No means "not-yet." As much as I wanted Toby to win the Heisman just so he would go down in college football history, it does not affect his status for the NFL as we have seen with recent winners like Jason White and Troy Smith. I still want to see a white RB or WR win it though. If Toby was in reach, in spite of nobody even on this site thinking it was possible until late September of this year, then certainly someone else will rise up.

Remember, the original Toby Gerhart thread started 3 years ago only had 4 pages up until the start of this season. Now that has over 20 pages and this one has 9. While some were focused on Gerhart all long since Col. Reb discovered him, it still means he wasn't on many of our minds up until last year, and most of us this year. If that can happen, then certainly some of our underclassmen RBs will shine next year or the year after like Brandon Wegher, Rex Burkhead, and Matt Kaiserman. I don't know about McGuffie who will be a sophomore next season, since he's at Rice, but maybe their team will improve and he'll tear it up. There will also be other guys who maybe haven't been mentioned on this site yet. What if a player recruited as a LB switches to RB because he was inspired by Gerhart? Who knows what the possibilities are. This certainly was a great thing and Toby was within a hair of winning the Heisman, which was beyond ALL of our expectations at the beginning of this season.

Let's stay hopeful that Gerhart will dominate the bowl game and train hard for the NFL. I just hope he doesn't overindulge on too many funnel cakes topped with vanilla ice cream (like he ordered at disney world from the college fb awards show)LOL!

Don't worry about Toby's diet he can eat nails and sh"t out bullets. He looks really compact and not overly heavy at all being 6ft1 and 235lbs. With the way he runs and his ability to break tackles with his size and speed Toby is as close to a sure thing in the NFL that there is. I can't wait for him to dominate.Edited by: White Power

whiteathlete33 said:

This has to be the best scouting report I have read on Toby.  http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/Toby-Gerhart.html

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That's a pretty good scouting report all things considered. I am heartened by how close the vote was and all the publicity Toby has gotten of late. Forget baseball, for caste purposes we need him to play TB in the NFL. He's only a slightly above average baseball player anyway.

guest301 said:

whiteathlete33 said:

This has to be the best scouting report I have read on Toby. http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/Toby-Gerhart.html

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That's a pretty good scouting report all things considered. I am heartened by how close the vote was and all the publicity Toby has gotten of late. Forget baseball, for caste purposes we need him to play TB in the NFL. He's only a slightly above average baseball player anyway.

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That scouting report is very fair. Notice how it states Toby has the potential to be a franchise back.

It wouldnt matter if a white running back ran for 5000 yards in a season. Even if he scored 80 TDs. They will not give a white RB this award.

P-NutLane said:

It wouldnt matter if a white running back ran for 5000 yards in a season. Even if he scored 80 TDs. They will not give a white RB this award.

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How could you say this when the vote was so close? Only a few ballots filled out differently would have given Toby the Heisman. Some people on here act like Gerhart was not even considered for the Heisman. Let's be realistic, if Gerhart ran for 5000 yds and 80 TDs, NCAA records by a long shot, he would definitely have won the Heisman. I believe that if Gerhart played for Alabama he would have rushed for about 2200 yds and 32 TDs. He would have won the Heisman if he played for Bama, or even if Ingram had stayed out of the endzone in the SEC championship. Did you not notice all the Heisman ratings that put him as the number 1 guy deserving the award, including SI, CBS sports, and ESPN???

Tebow and Crouch won the Heisman mostly for their running ability so I don't think Toby lost because of that, it was just the media's push to give it to Ingram combined with TG playing for a smaller West Coast team that stole the award from him IMO.

My bigger concern is that the NFL will never give TG a chance to shine as a featured back like they've been doing for 25-35 years now. A White athlete is going to have to eventually call a spade a spade like black QB's started doing. So far, Chris Doering is the only one I can remember speaking out about the Caste system. When a reporter calls them "deceptively quick" they need to at least say what do you mean about deceptively quick, or a White RB/WR can't be quick? Being passive hasn't worked...

I would like to see Toby in Green Bay, that may be the friendliest team for him.

As a Packer fan who follows them fairly close I think GB is closing in on the point that they would be considered a "white team" and that would be a no no in this era of the magic negro. So I dont see Toby going there, in fact I see the principles of the Pack management going out of their way to engage in caste dhiminnitude. I have hopes that McCarthy is a caste hata, but realistically even he would be allowed only so much latitude in whiteneing his team.

I googled "Gerhart got robbed" and came across an article a blog called "The Bleacher Report" as the number one hit. I commented that Gerhart was screwed because he was white. I news googled the same thing again the morning and see the senior writer responded with an article quoting my comments (Guy Montag). The article is something to the effect of "Gerhart was not robbed because he is white." The writer is really grasping at straws to justify just why the nation TD leader and yards leader didn't win the Heisman.

Kap a link would be great.

I was just reading the article when I saw your last post, wile, here is the link on behalf of KP

Excellent work Kap. The word "Caste" is our talking point word I believe it needs to be used in every post till even the dwfs are using it, even if to disagree with us. Because first they ignore us, second they fight us, third we win.

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I was just reading the article when I saw your last post, wile, here is the link on behalf of KP

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I just skipped back over to this link, and the attached poll is showing that 53% think that Toby was robbed of the Heisman because of race, versus only 26% that say no. The rest say that "the race card is old". There is no (polite) way to accurately describe idiot DFW's like that.

The race card only "got old" when whitey started using it.

Personally, i don't think Toby Gerhat's race had an impact with him not winning the heisman.

Having said that, i do believe that Toby's race had much to do with the position he was in. What do i mean by that? Well simply put, his race was a contributing factor in why a holder for numerous California football records was not picked up as RB for a powerhouse football team (ex: Pete Carroll at USC who wanted him to play FB/Linebacker) but instead only allowed to play RB at a smaller school, this case Stanford. Had Gerhart been treated fairly, he would have been picked up by a high profile team, gotten the exposure he deserves, and wouldn't have started to get mentioned in the Heisman race only a month or 2 before the selection.

Mark Ingram's only edge over Gerhart was playing for Alabama and being in the SEC, which frankly as a conference, wasn't even that good. SEC = hype, and lots of it.

FootballDad said:

I was just reading the article when I saw your last post, wile, here is the link on behalf of KP

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I put in my half-cent worth on the discussion forum (with a reference & link to CF). We'll see if some candy@$$ moderator deletes it.

...I knew it, the pantywafer, limp-wrist removed my post. There was no offensive language, name calling or racial epitaphs, etc. I assume they've marked CF as "racist" or "extreme". Another outlet controlled by the cultural Marxists!

Taco said:

The race card only "got old" when whitey started using it.

Personally, i don't think Toby Gerhat's race had an impact with him not winning the heisman.

Having said that, i do believe that Toby's race had much to do with the position he was in. What do i mean by that? Well simply put, his race was a contributing factor in why a holder for numerous California football records was not picked up as RB for a powerhouse football team (ex: Pete Carroll at USC who wanted him to play FB/Linebacker) but instead only allowed to play RB at a smaller school, this case Stanford. Had Gerhart been treated fairly, he would have been picked up by a high profile team, gotten the exposure he deserves, and wouldn't have started to get mentioned in the Heisman race only a month or 2 before the selection.

Mark Ingram's only edge over Gerhart was playing for Alabama and being in the SEC, which frankly as a conference, wasn't even that good. SEC = hype, and lots of it.

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Ron Dayne didn't exactly play for a high profile team and yet he won the Heisman easily with similar stats to Gerhart's. Wisconsin is the Stanford of the Big Ten. I have to disagree with your assertion that race did not play a role in Gerhart not getting the Heisman.

The next runningback from a lesser team in a major conference that puts up the numbers Gerhart did will win the Heisman in a landslide. I'd bet my life on it. This has everything to do with race.

Get used to the deleting, that is the "fighting us" portion of the old credo ignore, fight, agree. We might be in the last days of Liberal white supremacy, where the elite trying to remain an elite sells out its population to garner the affection of its subjects. I'm never upset about a deletion by a big momma liberal, because I make it personal, they are anti-white, they are for genocide if what they said was about Africans or Asians, and nothing upsets a big momma lib more than being held personally responsible.

As for Dayne he played against such powerhouses as Northwestern, Indiana, Minnesota, Illinois, none of which are ever known for being football powerhouses, never mind Wisconsin's preseason filler opposition.