Lucian Bute (Euro) versus Jean Pascal (Afro)

Ambrose

Master
Joined
Feb 23, 2013
Messages
2,630
Location
New York
Saturday, January 18, this fight will take place at the Bell Centre in Montreal, Canada. The contest is being fought at light-heavyweight (175). The spectators will be in part Africans but the majority will be Quebecois who favour Bute whom they can identify with.

The records of these two boxers is even and comparable, regardless, records do not fight: men do.

The skill set of these fighters is, in my view, even and comparable. They are both fast of hand and foot, but Bute has the longer stride -a slight footwork advantage if he uses it. Bute is three inches taller than Pascal. Bute stands southpaw; Pascal stands orthodox. At 168 pounds we may say Bute has the greater punching power but it is difficult to judge which fighter punches harder than the other at 175. Both have power. Their reach is equal. Their age is almost equal (early thirties).

Bute has not taken much punishment in his boxing career as he was only knocked around once by Froch. The same should be said of Pascal. We may view both as men as fit and durable.

Bute had one big setback in his career against Froch who soundly beat him, but in his subsequent bout he seemed to have regained his freshness and confidence by the final round. Pascal lost to Froch and in his two fights with Hopkins he was not able to convince the judges he had won. Whatever may be said about Pascal's two bouts with Hopkins, he did not dominate and control Hopkins or he would of been convincing. In subsequent bouts Pascal regained his confidence with wins against undistinguished fighters. Both should be equally motivated as a win may set up a contest with Adonis Stevenson in which either could earn a million dollars.

This fight seems to balance on the wills of the combatants and their respective career experiences. Pascal has spoken out frequently and been quoted as having called Bute "robotic". Bute has kept very quite. A vocal man may be deemed unsure of himself or overconfident.

Barring any injury, I think Bute will box Pascal at a distance, try his power shots to keep Pascal away, and eek out a close decision. Bute by SD12.

Caste prediction record:9-2.
 

Charles Martel

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 14, 2007
Messages
8,484
Lucian Bute appeared to be badly faded in his fight against Grachev. I'm hoping the long layoff will have rejuvenated him, and he'll be back to top form. But I'm not getting my hopes up too high.
 
Joined
Dec 7, 2011
Messages
1,434
Location
Calgary, Canada
Being from Canada, Lucian has always been a favourite boxer of mine, and I can remember watching Lucian's fights as far back as 2005 or even 2004 and being excited about him then. So, I've been following Lucian very closely for probably about a decade now.

As I recall he won the world title in 2007 with a KO over Negro Alejandro Berrio. That was one of the most brutal KO's I'd seen, he caught the Negro with a huge left hand and right hook and Berrio went unconscious against the ropes while Bute was still hitting him. Fortunately the referee jumped in and stopped the fight at the good time. It was a vicious KO. I can remember Bute's title defenses where he scored sensational KO's on HBO against Librado Andrade, and Edison Miranda.

It really seemed like Bute was something special, as he was very fast and had knockout power to go with it. Then came the Froch fight, which was Bute's biggest test of his career, and obviously that didn't go well for Bute as he was stopped by the Englishman in 5 rounds. It was shocking and disappointing as I, and many others, thought Bute would win the fight. In fact, Bute was the betting favourite.

At his best, Bute is an extremely fast boxer-puncher with the power to hurt anyone. He can change the fight with one punch and he also has very good speed that he can box from a distance and avoid brawling. I think Bute will have noticeable speed and power advantage over Pascal.

Jean Pascal is ultra tough, he's as tough as they come, and he proved that in his give and take fight with Froch back in 2008. Fortunately for Bute, Pascal can at times be slow, and Pascal doesn't hit very hard (Pascal only has 17 KO's in 31 fights, which translates to a 54% KO ratio, while Bute has 24 KO's in 32 fights for 75%). Pascal doesn't hit as hard as Froch, and that should make the fight easier for Bute.

Both guys have a chance at winning the fight, but I think if Bute uses his speed and boxes with volume, he stands a good chance at winning a decision. Pascal can be slow, inactive, and outboxed. Moreover, Pascal doesn't have the power to hurt Bute like Froch did.

Prediction: Bute W 12 Pascal
 
Joined
Dec 7, 2011
Messages
1,434
Location
Calgary, Canada
Saturday, January 18, this fight will take place at the Bell Centre in Montreal, Canada. The contest is being fought at light-heavyweight (175). The spectators will be in part Africans but the majority will be Quebecois who favour Bute whom they can identify with.

The records of these two boxers is even and comparable, regardless, records do not fight: men do.

The skill set of these fighters is, in my view, even and comparable. They are both fast of hand and foot, but Bute has the longer stride -a slight footwork advantage if he uses it. Bute is three inches taller than Pascal. Bute stands southpaw; Pascal stands orthodox. At 168 pounds we may say Bute has the greater punching power but it is difficult to judge which fighter punches harder than the other at 175. Both have power. Their reach is equal. Their age is almost equal (early thirties).

Bute has not taken much punishment in his boxing career as he was only knocked around once by Froch. The same should be said of Pascal. We may view both as men as fit and durable.

Bute had one big setback in his career against Froch who soundly beat him, but in his subsequent bout he seemed to have regained his freshness and confidence by the final round. Pascal lost to Froch and in his two fights with Hopkins he was not able to convince the judges he had won. Whatever may be said about Pascal's two bouts with Hopkins, he did not dominate and control Hopkins or he would of been convincing. In subsequent bouts Pascal regained his confidence with wins against undistinguished fighters. Both should be equally motivated as a win may set up a contest with Adonis Stevenson in which either could earn a million dollars.

This fight seems to balance on the wills of the combatants and their respective career experiences. Pascal has spoken out frequently and been quoted as having called Bute "robotic". Bute has kept very quite. A vocal man may be deemed unsure of himself or overconfident.

Barring any injury, I think Bute will box Pascal at a distance, try his power shots to keep Pascal away, and eek out a close decision. Bute by SD12.

Caste prediction record:9-2.

Great post and I ultimately agree with your prediction that Bute W 12 is the most likely outcome.

Froch was able to hurt Bute. But we should note that Pascal isn't as good as Froch, and more importantly, Pascal is a much lighter hitter than Froch. In fact, Pascal only has a rouhgly 54% KO ratio which indicates a very light hitter.

Bute, on the other hand has produced some absolutely sensational one punch knockouts in his career and is known as possessing one punch KO power. There was a time, say back in 2007-2011, where Bute was arguably the best KO artist in the boxing (that title would now go to Sergey Kovalev). So, Bute should by far have the edge in power.

In terms of speed, I also believe you'll see in the fight Bute much quicker on his feet. Pascal has the body of a weightlifter and can be very slow on his feet. Pascal can also be inactive and at times throwing only 30 punches a round.

Pascal's strengths lie in his chin and toughness. To my knowledge, I can't recall Pascal ever being hurt or even being stunned in a fight. His back-and-forth brawl with Froch was legendary and Bute would do well to avoid some kind of brawl like that as it would favour Pascal.
 

Westside

Hall of Famer
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
Messages
7,703
Location
So Cal
If Bute doesn't return to 2007 form, he will lose. It seems that Froch took a lot out of him in his KO loss. I hope the long lay off rejuvenated him. He will need fresh legs, movement and power to beat Pascal. If he wins huge paydays and Canadian glory await. If he losses especially badly, his career will be over.
 

Charles Martel

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 14, 2007
Messages
8,484
[video=youtube;GqjiN4bgdYE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GqjiN4bgdYE[/video]
 
Joined
Dec 7, 2011
Messages
1,434
Location
Calgary, Canada
Pascal looks very muscular, but you know, this is boxing not weightlifting. All of that muscle doesn't mean anything and actually, it will slow him down. Look at his fight VS Bernard Hopkins where he was outboxed and lost to a guy with almost no visible muscle structure whatsoever.

Pascal's physique reminds me of Jeff Lacy, another guy with a weightlifter's body who got absolutely outclassed by a much leaner and less muscular Joe Calzaghe.

The ideal body for boxing is tall, lean, with a bit of muscle but not too much that they look like a weightlifter, almost like a swimmer's body. When you look at the best boxers around today (Golovkin, Kovalev, Mayweather, Klitschko, Froch, Kessler, Wlodarczyk, Huck, Lomachenko, Rigondeaux, Donaire, Pacman, etc.) none of them have this kind of "weightlifter" physique like Pascal does. Klitschko is very ripped and buff, but his height distributes the muscle better and the fact he's at heavyweight allows that.

Pascal has a physique that is similar to Jeff Lacy or even Shannon Briggs and that is not the ideal physique for boxing.

Bute on the other hand, has an ideal physique suited for boxing.
 

Westside

Hall of Famer
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
Messages
7,703
Location
So Cal
Both look to be in tip top condition. Man, getting ready for tomorrow night!!!
 
Joined
Jun 30, 2012
Messages
1,016
Pascal looks very muscular, but you know, this is boxing not weightlifting. All of that muscle doesn't mean anything and actually, it will slow him down. Look at his fight VS Bernard Hopkins where he was outboxed and lost to a guy with almost no visible muscle structure whatsoever.

Pascal's physique reminds me of Jeff Lacy, another guy with a weightlifter's body who got absolutely outclassed by a much leaner and less muscular Joe Calzaghe.

The ideal body for boxing is tall, lean, with a bit of muscle but not too much that they look like a weightlifter, almost like a swimmer's body. When you look at the best boxers around today (Golovkin, Kovalev, Mayweather, Klitschko, Froch, Kessler, Wlodarczyk, Huck, Lomachenko, Rigondeaux, Donaire, Pacman, etc.) none of them have this kind of "weightlifter" physique like Pascal does. Klitschko is very ripped and buff, but his height distributes the muscle better and the fact he's at heavyweight allows that.

Pascal has a physique that is similar to Jeff Lacy or even Shannon Briggs and that is not the ideal physique for boxing.

Bute on the other hand, has an ideal physique suited for boxing.

Give Bute a spray tan, and their physiques would be pretty similar, though Pascal is a little more compactly built. Blacks get a lot of mileage out of the illusion of muscularity due to dark skin and narrow joints. If it were weightlifting, my money would be on Bute, Pascal would win the bodybuilding competition. I think Bute will win the boxing match.
 
Joined
Dec 7, 2011
Messages
1,434
Location
Calgary, Canada
Give Bute a spray tan, and their physiques would be pretty similar, though Pascal is a little more compactly built. Blacks get a lot of mileage out of the illusion of muscularity due to dark skin and narrow joints. If it were weightlifting, my money would be on Bute, Pascal would win the bodybuilding competition. I think Bute will win the boxing match.

Yes, Pascal is much more compact and he has much more of a "ripped" look than Bute. Bute has never been a ripped guy, and he's never really looked muscular in any of his fights. He has a lean swimmer's build.

Many white boxers are very ripped and muscular; Ricky Hatton, Wlad Klitschko, Felix Sturm, Mateusz Masternack (in my display pic) are great examples. Wlad Klitschko in particular has probably the best physique in boxing I'd say.

The point I'm trying to make in my comments is simply that being muscular, or excessively muscular is not required nor is it advantageous in boxing.

In fact, the vast majority of the best boxers today, and in history have had lean builds (similar to Bute). Being too muscular is actually a drawback in boxing because it tires you out and makes you slower.
 

The Hock

Master
Joined
Mar 16, 2008
Messages
3,788
Location
Northern California
I hope Bute can hurt Pascal. If he can't, I can see Pascal wearing him down as the fight goes on with Bute (who has looked to be faded if not shot) having trouble making it to the final bell.

Bute needs to stay off the ropes and give Pascal angles in the middle of the ring and hit him with shots he doesn't see coming. Turn the Froch fight into a bump in the road.

Very interesting match-up, and good on their managment teams for making it.
 

Charles Martel

Hall of Famer
Joined
Mar 14, 2007
Messages
8,484
One thing is for sure: Max Kellerman will be rooting for Pascal and being unfairly negative about Bute tonight.
 

Ambrose

Master
Joined
Feb 23, 2013
Messages
2,630
Location
New York
Bute's chin is what will be tried. Don't know if it is as poor as many suggest as he was not floored-out by Froch and he got past Grachev's shots. Box Spec 2 notes Pascal's power is not tremendous.
 
Joined
Dec 7, 2011
Messages
1,434
Location
Calgary, Canada
I've been reading many boxing sites like Boxrec.com, Boxingscene.com, and Eastsideboxing.com, and it seems like the "majority opinion" has Pascal as a slight favourite to win the fight. Most boxing fans are picking Pascal to win, but it's close, and many are picking a Bute decision win. It seems like it's about a 60-40 split in favour of Pascal.

What's interesting is that a lot of people on boxing sites are predicting a Pascal KO win.

The truth is, in the past 7 years (since 2007), Pascal has only scored 3 KO wins. Pascal, over his career, only has a 54% KO ratio (compared to Bute and-or Froch which are both around 75%).

It seems strange to me that many people are picking Pascal to win by KO. His record would suggest he is not a hard hitter at all, and quite frankly, I`ve seen many of his fights and he`s never really knocked a guy out with one punch. Carl Froch was able to hurt Bute, but Froch has a much higher KO ratio than Pascal and Froch is also known earlier in his career as carrying KO power.

I think a more likely result is a Bute decision win, or a Pascal decision win. I don`t see Pascal KOing Bute. He doesn`t hit hard enough.
 

celticdb15

Hall of Famer
Joined
Jul 24, 2007
Messages
8,469
Sounds to me as a casual boxing fan these experts are fawning over Pascal as a physical specimen even though he only has 3 kos and Bute is the better pure boxer... Looking forward to seeing the results
 

The Hock

Master
Joined
Mar 16, 2008
Messages
3,788
Location
Northern California
I don't think it's matter of Pascal's power but more the fact that he's the stronger and fresher fighter at this point. I can see him wearing Bute down as the fight goes on with Bute's corner stopping the fight between rounds at some point.

That's why I think Bute has to hurt Pascal early, possibly with body shots, to take away some of that physical advantage and catch some adrenalin.

I know I'll be pumped if he can do it. I'm a Bute fan.
 
Joined
Dec 7, 2011
Messages
1,434
Location
Calgary, Canada
I don't think it's matter of Pascal's power but more the fact that he's the stronger and fresher fighter at this point. I can see him wearing Bute down as the fight goes on with Bute's corner stopping the fight between rounds at some point.

That's why I think Bute has to hurt Pascal early, possibly with body shots, to take away some of that physical advantage and catch some adrenalin.

I know I'll be pumped if he can do it. I'm a Bute fan.

Yea, maybe you`re right. I suppose what you`re saying is possible. I guess we`ll find out tonight at the fight!

It should be a good fight!
 

The Hock

Master
Joined
Mar 16, 2008
Messages
3,788
Location
Northern California
Well I've been on Eastside and they're yapping the usual. Bute was a product of matchmaking and Roy Jones thinks Pascal has the makings of a superstar blah blah blah. And looking at photos of the weigh-in Pascal like so many fighters of his hue appears to be in love with himself.

I really really hope Bute can knock the crap out of Jones' superstar prediction.
 

Westside

Hall of Famer
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
Messages
7,703
Location
So Cal
Sounds to me as a casual boxing fan these experts are fawning over Pascal as a physical specimen even though he only has 3 kos and Bute is the better pure boxer... Looking forward to seeing the results
The usual suspects. This is the same sports media that fawned and oohed and awed over Jeff Lacy when he fought Super Joe Calzaghe. After Joe whooped Lacy's ass, Jeff was never the same. All the boxing media ran and hid under a rock for weeks.
 

Ambrose

Master
Joined
Feb 23, 2013
Messages
2,630
Location
New York
In the under card, Canadian light heavy Gardiner lost a unanimous but close decision to Colombian-CANADIAN citizen (there's a difference:deal with it) Eleidor Alvarez. Gardiner, with limited skills, still hustled enough to negate Avarez's skills for most of the fight. Alvarez did the typical showboat/******* routine in the last round and showed poor sportsmanship by not accepting congratulations from the losing fighter!

Message for Alvarez

No problem, guess what? We got a nice fight all ready for ya in the future against a Russian by the name of Kovalev who would just love to turn ya into another of his heavy bags. Ya got no power and your chintz skills won't get ya a round against Krusher.
 

Westside

Hall of Famer
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
Messages
7,703
Location
So Cal
Perez who beat Mago fought in the prelim. I say he lost and that Mago beat some of the life out of him. It was called a draw. Takam, for black heavyweight threw a lot of punches in the 2nd half. I say he is carry around 15 to 20 lbs too much. If he lost them he could be a lot more explosive.
 
Top